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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 05 May 2005, 12:56 »
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We, ahlus-sunnah judge by what is apparent,

Carlos, do you consider yourself from the Ahlusunat  That's ridiculous and a screamong stupid lie. I'll quote you from another topic
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stop hoping for the advent of this mythical Imam Mahdi. Abandon these laughable superstitions and search for solutions to your problems right here, right now

How would someone who considers Imam Mahdi a mythical superstition still claim to be of the Ahlusuunat. We can listen to your nonsense, but don't take us for idiots. Reveal yourself and be frank. No more lies and frauds. If u'll continue like this, no one will have to listen to your jabbering

Absolutely, I do NOT consider myself Ahl as-Sunnah. That part you quoted was supposed to come out as a quote of whoever posted it, but didn't by mistake. But yes, for the record I'm not Ahl as-Sunnah. I'm a convinced Kafir.

So, you don't have to declare and promote your Kufr all over the forum. Does it make you feel good or something?

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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 05 May 2005, 12:57 »
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We, ahlus-sunnah judge by what is apparent,

Carlos, do you consider yourself from the Ahlusunat  That's ridiculous and a screamong stupid lie. I'll quote you from another topic
Quote from: Carlos Spinoza
stop hoping for the advent of this mythical Imam Mahdi. Abandon these laughable superstitions and search for solutions to your problems right here, right now

How would someone who considers Imam Mahdi a mythical superstition still claim to be of the Ahlusuunat. We can listen to your nonsense, but don't take us for idiots. Reveal yourself and be frank. No more lies and frauds. If u'll continue like this, no one will have to listen to your jabbering

Absolutely, I do NOT consider myself Ahl as-Sunnah. That part you quoted was supposed to come out as a quote of whoever posted it, but didn't by mistake. But yes, for the record I'm not Ahl as-Sunnah. I'm a convinced Kafir.

So, you don't have to declare and promote your Kufr all over the forum. Does it make you feel good or something?

By the way, that's NOT a question that is supposed to be answered. It is rhetorical.

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« Reply #12 on: Friday 06 May 2005, 04:49 »
Tsk Ignorance can be very blinding.
What if a wahhabi or a Tahriri said "Some people use Cell phones in a way against the shari^ia, NO CELL PHONES"
Would the one who said what he said say the same thing? Attempting to confuse Muslims No. 554825 failed........Tsk! he's incourigeable.... Just like a rat trying to catch a chease. only it is a photo of a chease.

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« Reply #13 on: Monday 06 June 2005, 10:20 »
A few days ago I heard that the wahabees have another wrong fatwa where they forbid women from driving cars. They just made this incorrect fatwa a few days ago.

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« Reply #14 on: Monday 06 June 2005, 15:28 »
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A few days ago I heard that the wahabees have another wrong fatwa where they forbid women from driving cars. They just made this incorrect fatwa a few days ago.


Maybe they made another one but there was already a old wrong fatwa like this.

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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 07 June 2005, 06:12 »
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A few days ago I heard that the wahabees have another wrong fatwa where they forbid women from driving cars. They just made this incorrect fatwa a few days ago.


Maybe they made another one but there was already a old wrong fatwa like this.

 :?

thats right , they had forbided womans from driving cars ..and they are now in the courts for manipulating their problem ..lol !!! how stupid

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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 07 June 2005, 11:21 »
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A few days ago I heard that the wahabees have another wrong fatwa where they forbid women from driving cars. They just made this incorrect fatwa a few days ago.


Maybe they made another one but there was already a old wrong fatwa like this.

 :?

thats right , they had forbided womans from driving cars ..and they are now in the courts for manipulating their problem ..lol !!! how stupid


No, really !?

Where is that ?

Do you have an article for us or can you inform us about it?

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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 07 June 2005, 13:19 »
i don't know if that is enough to explain the whole issue ....


From Dar Al'hayat Journal :

Just about a year ago, I met with the Saudi Mullah, Sheikh Aaed Al-Kourny, on the sideline of the national dialogue conference in Holy Mecca. I discussed various topics with him; some involved the changes witnessed by the Kingdom, the stances of scientists regarding the terrorist operations in the country, along with his role in the 80s in mobilizing the Saudi youth to set off to Afghanistan through the mosques' platforms and cassette tapes. I preferred for my last question to be related to his vision of women driving cars in Saudi Arabia, where he replied without any hesitation: "banning women from driving cars has no religious background, nor does it have any clear and decisive religious text". He explained "if there was a choice to be done between a woman driving a car, or let her alone in a car, accompanied  by a foreign driver, it is preferable that she drives her own car." At the time, he added: " I hope my words will not be interpreted as an authorization to do so. I am merely submitting the matter to the legal committee calling to "differentiate between norms and subsidiaries and deal with awareness and common sense, including with regard to the issue of women driving vehicles."

Later on, Sheikh El-Kourny retreated his words and opinions after radicals in Saudi Arabia made pressure on him. Hence, he issued a statement to symbolically satisfy them. I wished he had kept to his words, approved by numerous clerics. Once again, Sheikh Al-Kourny retracted his personal statements regarding women unveiling their faces after  being sharply criticized by the radical religious movement, which accused him of seeking  artificial fascination or being simply unqualified to deal with the media.  I wish he would learn to maintain a tough stance and steadily endorse opinions and Legal Fatwas instead of disclaiming his statements only to please one side and dismiss another.  

Last Monday, two events coincided together. Kuwaiti women obtained their political rights, granting them the rights to vote and be a candidate. At the same time, members of the Saudi legal council (Al Shawra) were demanding to review traffic laws, specifically those related to women driving cars, along with the Fatwa issued in 1991, which bans her from driving. Others members were opposed as some few expressed their reservation.

 

There is a great difference between the stances of Saudi women and those of her colleagues in other Arab or Gulf states. We are not calling on Saudi women to be similar to others, yet they deserve to get their national rights. Saudi women are still shy and unable to express their opinions, as if they do not suffer from any burden or concern.  They are prisoners of traditions and customs and are chased by the omen of tribal mores.  

Stances of those trying to link women driving cars to religion are awkward, as if Islam had banned it. They try to fabricate irrational justifications despite the increase of the women's need for driving cars. They pretend that this right would lead to increased outings since the car is accessible. As if the foreign driver is not currently available.   Moreover, they believe that when women leave their homes, they are seen by the surrounding crowd, thus, their virtue will be questioned. As if when she leaves the house accompanied by a driver, a spouse or a son she is not seen by anyone; her virtue is only affected when driving a car! Furthermore, they believe that driving a car will uselessly increase the family's spending; failing to mention the driver's monthly salary, his holidays and compensations. Why aren't we rational enough to submit realistic justifications, which will convince both men and women. Think about the many broken household drivers were behind?  Answer the legitimate question: which is more appropriate, a household with its male and female keepers? Or a household with a male, a female and a driver, who does not belong to the family but is well-aware of its secrets better than its own members?

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« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 07 June 2005, 13:25 »
Women Driving a Social Issue, Says Prince Naif
P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News
 
JEDDAH, 2 June 2005 — Interior Minister Prince Naif downplayed the ongoing controversy on women driving in Saudi Arabia and said it was a social issue and must be decided by the Saudi society. “I believe that this is a controversy which has no meaning because it is a social matter to be decided by society. It looks like some people want to make it an issue but it’s not,” the Saudi Press Agency quoted him as saying.

Prince Naif was talking to reporters in Riyadh on Tuesday after attending a consultative meeting of GCC interior ministers. The GCC meeting called for effective regional and international cooperation to fight terrorism.

Prince Naif also said that women should have IDs if they want to have their own passports. According to press reports, women IDs would be made mandatory within four months for security reasons.

There has been a heated debate on the issue of women driving in the Saudi press after Mohammad Al-Zulfa, a Shoura Council member, tried to take up the matter at the 150-member consultative body.

Zulfa introduced his proposal tactfully as part of an uncontroversial debate on road safety. He argued that lifting the ban on women drivers could resolve what he considers to be a serious social problem — the presence of some one million foreign drivers needed to enable Saudi women to move around.

Zulfa said the obligation to hire a driver represented a financial burden for families with limited income, and cost the country more than SR12 billion ($3.2 billion) a year.

He also argued that women and young girls spend long hours in the company of foreign drivers. “This is against Islam, for a woman to be with a stranger. It’s forbidden,” he said. On the other hand, “there is nothing in the Qur’an that says women do not have the right to drive,” he added.

Dr. Suhaila Hammad, a senior member of the National Society of Human Rights, said Prince Naif’s words confirm that our leaders are not against women driving. “Our religious leaders also said that there is no religious prohibition of women driving and our traffic laws do not state that women can’t have a driving license or drive,” she said.

“Many husbands would like their wives to drive because of the problems associated with foreign drivers,” she said, adding that by allowing women to drive does not mean that they all have to, it is a matter of choice.

“Two other factors further the case for women driving, first the financial burden on the family and second, we don’t have reliable public transportation for women,” said Hammad.

“Society can accept women drivers if a political decision was taken,” she said. “Driving should be a personal choice for women. Our government has signed international treaties on non-discrimination between genders as long as these rights do not conflict with Islam and driving does not,” she said. She explained that society can gradually accept women driving if we impose strict laws, provide road assistance and maybe limit the times when women can drive.

Sana K., a popular dawa worker in Jeddah, is against women driving. “There is no separation of religious and social issues. Even social issues stem from religious teachings,” she said, while adding that the authorities are the ones who tackled it as a religious issue from the beginning.

 



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