Topic: Wahabies don't trust women kind??

[Devoted]

The wahabies, again, issue their misguided fatwas (Islamic Rullings) claiming that Internet for women alone is FORBIDDEN!!

Here's what they said:
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/242/898/640/fatwa.jpg


Here's what it means:

AGAIN!! As "Al-Qabas" newspaper said on November 12th, 2004 Kuwait No# 11290:

New Fatwa!!
No to Internet for Women unless accompanied with a person (who's a relative non marrigable to her)
Riyad - Ilaf:

The two saudi sheikhs, Othman al-Khamis and Sa^d al-Ghamidiy, issued a "fatwa" claiming that it's forbidden for the women to go on the internet alone due to her "inner evil CONSCIENCE". Also the fatwa states: "it's forbidden for the women to open the internet unless with the presence of a non-marriageable relative that can be aware of DECEIT of the women"

Can you believe it??

This is the wahabiya, (or wahabies who claim to be "salafies") lack of trust of women.. or is it their women?

Rather than educating the Muslims, men and women to avoid al-Haram and make them fear the torture of hellfiire, they go ahead and play with the religion and say what they desire!

Again, wahabies fails to abide by the true teachings of Prophet Muhammad, and successfully show their ignorance and deviation.

[Milk]

I can't see the picture.

So they said it is haram?

What are the proofs that they gave except that "evil inner conscience" thing?

[Devoted]

Proof??

That's the last thing they worry about.
YEs, they said it's forbidden for her to use unless with a "reliable mahram"

[Carlos Spinoza]

Okay, so this is what they say. It may have no real basis in the Shari'ah, but obviously they said it in good faith, right? Their intentions in coming out with this idea were merely geared towards the protection of Muslim families.

Let me ask you something: have you any idea how many Muslim families have been broken up due to women, AND men too, getting involved in questionable stuff on the internet? The MAJORITY of us are weak, men and women alike, and due to whatever problems we have in our lives we are more often than not inclined towards seeking external emotional support and someone to care for us... and the easiest way in which to do such a thing, these days, is through the internet. What happens next? When the wife is out, the husband goes to the internet to talk to his cyber-lover, and vice versa. Eventually the culprit is discovered and that's usually the beginning of the end of their marriage.

It would be beneficial for ANY married person, man OR woman, to have someone reliable watch over them as they use the Internet. What's your big problem with accepting that most women (and men too), whether they look pious or not, USUALLY get involved in Haram stuff in the cyberworld? The idea that ALL those who appear pious really are is just an illusion. It's that simple.

[AICP-FLORIDA]

concerning the religion, we do not, out of our own opinions make things up.
we dont make up so called judgements.
muslims are ordered to do the obligations and stay away from sins.
on top of that many, many, muslims use the internet for ad-da3wah, and for other beneficial purposes such as this very site were u just post mere hogwash. a3udhubillah.

furthermore you still fail to realize that there are muslims who commit sins, but this by no means defines the religion as a whole. the religion teaches people to be pious patient and just, among other virtues.  the fact that some people are unjust, rude and ignorant pose no blemish on the religion itself.  it is the selves of the people who choose not to adhere to the rules of the religion that destroy themselves. so keep this in mind:
THE TRUTH IS NOT JUDGED BY MAN, MEN ARE JUDGED BY THE TRUTH.
walhamdulillah.

[AICP-FLORIDA]

concerning the religion, we do not, out of our own opinions make things up.
we dont make up so called judgements.
muslims are ordered to do the obligations and stay away from sins.
on top of that many, many, muslims use the internet for ad-da3wah, and for other beneficial purposes such as this very site were u just post mere hogwash. a3udhubillah.

furthermore you still fail to realize that there are muslims who commit sins, but this by no means defines the religion as a whole. the religion teaches people to be pious patient and just, among other virtues.  the fact that some people are unjust, rude and ignorant pose no blemish on the religion itself.  it is the selves of the people who choose not to adhere to the rules of the religion that destroy themselves. so keep this in mind:
THE TRUTH IS NOT JUDGED BY MAN, MEN ARE JUDGED BY THE TRUTH.
walhamdulillah.

[Milk]

Okay, so this is what they say. It may have no real basis in the Shari'ah, but obviously they said it in good faith, right? Their intentions in coming out with this idea were merely geared towards the protection of Muslim families.

Let me ask you something: have you any idea how many Muslim families have been broken up due to women, AND men too, getting involved in questionable stuff on the internet? The MAJORITY of us are weak, men and women alike, and due to whatever problems we have in our lives we are more often than not inclined towards seeking external emotional support and someone to care for us... and the easiest way in which to do such a thing, these days, is through the internet. What happens next? When the wife is out, the husband goes to the internet to talk to his cyber-lover, and vice versa. Eventually the culprit is discovered and that's usually the beginning of the end of their marriage.

It would be beneficial for ANY married person, man OR woman, to have someone reliable watch over them as they use the Internet.

We are muslims and we stick to the religion of Islam. We follow the Qur'an, the sunnah and what the mujtahideen said.

Who are those mens to says that such and such is haram and such and such is halal? Giving fatawa without knowledge is a great sin. Can you find any other scholars who said that going on the internet alone for a women is haram? no. Did those two clowns gave any proof for their claim from the Qur'an or the Sunnah? no. So we reject this fatwa because it was not done in accordance to the rules of the religion.

Can't you go on the internet to go read the news, send emails to your mother, discuss on a forum like this, etc ? It's their problems if they can't control their women, not the fault of the internet.

You said:

What's your big problem with accepting that most women (and men too), whether they look pious or not, USUALLY get involved in Haram stuff in the cyberworld? The idea that ALL those who appear pious really are is just an illusion. It's that simple

Haven't you ever learne that thinking ill of another muslims without proof is a sin? We, ahlus-sunnah judge by what is apparent, we don't go around like you speaking or thinking ill of the muslims.

[Carlos Spinoza]

You said:

What's your big problem with accepting that most women (and men too), whether they look pious or not, USUALLY get involved in Haram stuff in the cyberworld? The idea that ALL those who appear pious really are is just an illusion. It's that simple

Haven't you ever learne that thinking ill of another muslims without proof is a sin? We, ahlus-sunnah judge by what is apparent, we don't go around like you speaking or thinking ill of the muslims.[/quote]
If you don't want to accept the obvious, that's really not my problem. The majority of Muslims do things totally against their own religion, and that's a fact. The majority of Muslims are also ignorant even about simple matters of their religion. This is the truth. Have a look around you, and this will become more than obvious. It's VERY VERY hard to find even a single person who, after spending many hours with them, STILL doesn't do something from Bab ar-Riddah. Fact. Deny it if you wish, but it's the truth. I've witnessed it with my own eyes. If you wish to be sheepish and deny that which stares you in the face, then again, it's up to you. But you're allowing yourself to be blinded.

[Martin]

We, ahlus-sunnah judge by what is apparent,

Carlos, do you consider yourself from the Ahlusunat  That's ridiculous and a screamong stupid lie. I'll quote you from another topic

stop hoping for the advent of this mythical Imam Mahdi. Abandon these laughable superstitions and search for solutions to your problems right here, right now

How would someone who considers Imam Mahdi a mythical superstition still claim to be of the Ahlusuunat. We can listen to your nonsense, but don't take us for idiots. Reveal yourself and be frank. No more lies and frauds. If u'll continue like this, no one will have to listen to your jabbering

[Carlos Spinoza]

We, ahlus-sunnah judge by what is apparent,

Carlos, do you consider yourself from the Ahlusunat  That's ridiculous and a screamong stupid lie. I'll quote you from another topic

stop hoping for the advent of this mythical Imam Mahdi. Abandon these laughable superstitions and search for solutions to your problems right here, right now

How would someone who considers Imam Mahdi a mythical superstition still claim to be of the Ahlusuunat. We can listen to your nonsense, but don't take us for idiots. Reveal yourself and be frank. No more lies and frauds. If u'll continue like this, no one will have to listen to your jabbering

Absolutely, I do NOT consider myself Ahl as-Sunnah. That part you quoted was supposed to come out as a quote of whoever posted it, but didn't by mistake. But yes, for the record I'm not Ahl as-Sunnah. I'm a convinced Kafir.