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The Logical Proof that the Creator of everything is not in n
« on: Wednesday 26 December 2001, 19:48 »
What has a limit has a size and anything that has a size, is created by Allah.  For example, the sun has a limit and a size and the Creator is the One          who gave it that limit and size. The reason why? Something does not create itself as we have already proven in the first chapter. Therefore, Allah who creates and gives the creations its limits and its sizes, is not a size or a shape like them.

The Creator existed eternally, which means an existence without a beginning. Before Allah created any of His creations, there was nothing other than Allah existing. For example, there was no Heaven, no Hell, no skies, no earth, no space and no other places. Allah said in the Qur’an:

? åõæó ÇáÃóæøóáõ )  3 ( ? ] ÓæÑÉ ÇáúÍóÏíÏ [
and from this verse, we take from its meaning: He is the first (Allah has always been existing without a beginning before any creation was created). This clearly proves that the Creator exists without a place. The reason why? It is impossible for the Creator to be in a place, after He created all the places! This is because after Allah created all the places, He did not change His existence. The Creator of all things does not change. To change is a sign of need and the Creator is not in need of anything, because He is the Creator of everything. Allah said in the Qur’an:
? ÝóÅöäøó Çááøóåó Ûóöäìøñ Úóäö ÇáúÚóÜáóãöíäó ) 97( ? ] ÓæÑÉ Âá ÚöãÑóÇä [

and from this verse, we take from its meaning: Allah is not in need of any of His creations.

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Re: The Logical Proof that the Creator of everything is not
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 January 2002, 13:50 »
Quote from: Tal7a
What has a limit has a size and anything that has a size, is created by Allah.  For example, the sun has a limit and a size and the Creator is the One          who gave it that limit and size. The reason why? Something does not create itself as we have already proven in the first chapter. Therefore, Allah who creates and gives the creations its limits and its sizes, is not a size or a shape like them.

The Creator existed eternally, which means an existence without a beginning. Before Allah created any of His creations, there was nothing other than Allah existing. For example, there was no Heaven, no Hell, no skies, no earth, no space and no other places. Allah said in the Qur’an:

? åõæó ÇáÃóæøóáõ )  3 ( ? ] ÓæÑÉ ÇáúÍóÏíÏ [
and from this verse, we take from its meaning: He is the first (Allah has always been existing without a beginning before any creation was created). This clearly proves that the Creator exists without a place. The reason why? It is impossible for the Creator to be in a place, after He created all the places! This is because after Allah created all the places, He did not change His existence. The Creator of all things does not change. To change is a sign of need and the Creator is not in need of anything, because He is the Creator of everything. Allah said in the Qur’an:
? ÝóÅöäøó Çááøóåó Ûóöäìøñ Úóäö ÇáúÚóÜáóãöíäó ) 97( ? ] ÓæÑÉ Âá ÚöãÑóÇä [


Thank you for very useful pages, in this text about that changing is a sign of need you can also mention that; if the creator  would change for the better this would mean that he was not perfect before or if the creator would change for the worse it would mean that he is no longer perfect and this is no attribut of Allah. Bless you...








and from this verse, we take from its meaning: Allah is not in need of any of His creations.
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The Logical Proof that the Creator of everything is not in n
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 January 2002, 14:59 »
yes barak ALLah feeki sister ...
i will work on this insha Allah ..:-)

 



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