Topic: Allah is not in our hearts!! Allah is not every where!!

[SadaQa]

maasha Allah brother sadaqa....

you must be one of the best schools!!!!

baaraka Allaahu feekum for your posts.....

May Allah Bless and Protect you ... ALWAYS.. ameen.

Ameen ameen

may Allah bless your heart sister.

Ameen

I am not one of the best schools like you said, i have still sooooo much to
learn. I am a student like all of you, seeking for more knoledge .

I ask Allah to enhance our knoledge in Islam ameen. In order for us to protect our religion with our information that we are still learning and to defend our religion inshaa Allah specialy when faced with devious sects like wahhabies.

wahhabies have money, We have knoledge ,Wahhabies protect their money, OUR KNOLEDGE PROTECT US.

so may we seek more knoledge inshaa Allah

knoledge is our weapons in This life.

May we enter paradise inshaa Allah.

Ameen Ameen

akramakom Allah bil jannah.

ameen.

[ladyrain72]

ameen brother sadaqa....

one VERY irritating thing that i am ALWAYS confronted with is this, as the people here say.... " are you sure they are not meaning it the FIGURATIVE way??? when they say that Allah SITS on the throne??? " why.... one girl even questioned the very existance of the Arsh!!!!

maasha Allah... i really do wish that i will be able to answer these people...

[SadaQa]

no sister the wahhabies don't take it as figurative.....they realy think that Allah sits like we humans and animal do, wal iyatho billah that is kufer

whom ever say that Allah is a body and sits wal iyatho billah is a kafer.

whom ever says that Allah is in the skye or is in heaven, or that he is in a place wal iyatho billah, is a kafer.

as muslims, it is our duty to tell to the people the truth.

and when u confronte those people, tell them the truth and give them proof from the qoran and the sunna that Allah exsits without a place
but sister in order to confront them you should gain knoledge so you can be strong in answearing them. Like i said previously knoledge is our weapons in this life
may this post help you sister to confront devious people.
may Allah enhance your knoledge in Islam in order to answear devious people

ameen ameen
may Allah blesss you

ameen

[Sami Yusuf Islam]

sister ladyrain.

tell them, Allah is God, and we do not have the right to give Him names and attributes according to our own imagination.

Allah did not say in the Quran, and the prophet did not say, that Allah is in the hearts. THUS, we do not have the right to say so, as the Names and Attributes of Allah are Tawqeefiyyah, that is, we have to respect those as they are in the Quran and sunnah, and we can not invent new ones.

[ladyrain72]

thank you dear brothers for your answers....

brother sadaqa... i had told these people that we can not take these statements figuratively and i was confronted with : WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE THAT THEY DONT TAKE IT AS FIGURATIVE?    

please tell me what the proofs are brother??? which ayat in the Quraan and which hadeeth are we talking about??? sometimes my heart just is sooo painful....

they JUST dont want to LISTEN to the TRUTH!!!!!! DO they?

[me_against_wahhabis]

uff the wahhabis are getting too much around me I need to fix my gun (knowledge) and start shoot them on their mouth. I hate hate them. They make people confuse. Let's learn properly about islam before we shoot out our bullet to the wahhabis surround us.


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[Advisor]

Welcom to Talk About Islam brother.
Hope you benefit from this site.
As for wahabies, may Allah guide them. their Sect is getting weaker not stronger.

[Advisor]

Sister ladyrain
It's Like Abdullah said, they have no right to describe Allah with something He never described himself.
In Arabic language if someone says "Allah fi essama2" there is a chance the sayer meant by it: Allah ^3ali elkadr jeddan.
but if some one said it and meant that Allah exists in the Up direction wal3iyatho billah such that the one living in the 10th floor is nearer to Allah in distance than the one in the 8th! thats definetly a kafer. so we ask him didn't Allah exist befor there is direction and space?
-If they said Allah did, then we tell them: you claim Allah changed wal iyathobillah and change happens to creation not creator Jalla jallaloh
-If they said that time and direction are eternal with Allah (has no begining) then they claimed these are not created and Allah didn't create them. because creation has to be from the state of nonexistance to a state of existance. so this is Kufur because Allah is the creator of every thing.
as for claiming that Allah "sits" on the throne. this Kufur because there is no acceptable fugurative explenation to this explicite tashbeehÇ Like brother Sadaqa said. sitting is for Humans and animals who have Upper part and lower part it happen by bending the body.
 and like Abdullah said:
 

the Names and Attributes of Allah are Tawqeefiyyah, that is, we have to respect those as they are in the Quran and sunnah, and we can not invent new ones.

a deviouse sect in Lebanon and Palestine claimed that "Wine" is a name of Allah wal3iyatho billah. this is not acceptable no matter what they meant. If this door is oppened people will start calling Allah names like laylah and other female names.(which happened at some times that some other  pseudo-sufis did)

[ladyrain72]

thank you advisor.... i will try to read and understand what you have said... i need to understand before,  i feel safe enough to mix these people again... so that the, i will be able to refute them properly.

[Advisor]

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