Topic: Truth and fact

[EdOtt]

***Warning: these lateral translations of Quraan are not very accurate. mostly they are wrong***** Modo

I am taking these from respected Translations,
If you have a better one it would be better to provide it than to simply edit my post without asking.

[Advisor]

@seherezade1001: Welcome to TAI brother please quote or Identify who are you talking to.
Like I did Just now

***Warning: these lateral translations of Quraan are not very accurate. mostly they are wrong***** Modo

I am taking these from respected Translations,
If you have a better one it would be better to provide it than to simply edit my post without asking.

What translations?
As for Editing your post. well lots of people don't know anything about Islam and they visit this site.
what will the say if they saw what you typed: " Allah's hands are outstretched"
like I explained. Translation of figures of speach Literally is not allowed in the case of Quraan and Hadith.
Some Idioms used in Quraan donot exist in English language.

it doesn't make sense to do so.
What if I said: The man has no male camel nor female camel in this issue.
                    This item belongs to my hand.
                    You have lots of Ashes in your house.
                     Crescentofthemoon's hand is white with me.

Do U understand what I'm trying to say in the above 4 examples?

As for not asking for your permission, It's my duty as a moderator to take such a decision in cases like these. and I was between deleting them and adding the warning before.

So please Understand it's nothing personal. we are just trying to keep this board clean of wrong information about Islam.

[Advisor]

Oh and in the thread I directed U to.
No where the author says that some of the things are not facts.
Just that some should not be understood as what may be one of the common meanings of the Terms used.

So translating the verse: "thomma Estwa ^ala El Arsh" as Allah established himself obove the throne is simply wrong transalation.
A truthful one may be(from the Thread I mentioned):

"Allah subjugated the ^arsh with a subjugation that is without a beginning, like all of the attributes of Allah. If the ayah is explained in this manner, it means that Allah was attributed with subjugating the ^arsh before the ^arsh was created in the same way that Allah was attributed with being the Creator before anything from the creation existed. In this context, the scholars have used the term al-azal, which means the status of existing without a beginning. Thus it can be said that Allah subjugated the ^arsh in al-azal, meaning that Allah subjugated the ^arsh with a subjugation which is without a beginning."

[EdOtt]

perhaps brother u need to reread the thread, for the brother does indeed say that  these things are not literal facts but Truths.
The translations i have used are shakir, and i only used it after comparing it to several other translations and found they all use the same language.

Peace

[Advisor]

The translations i have used are shakir, and i only used it after comparing it to several other translations and found they all use the same language.

Apparently they are all not trustworthy.
 All the ones we had the chance to look at had such mistakes, Unfortuanally.  :-(

[EdOtt]

Apparently they are all not trustworthy.
 All the ones we had the chance to look at had such mistakes, Unfortuanally

well you know i have started thinking about it and i must say that as the Quran is Arabic, and what i am discussing is an english translation that you are right and i am right. The Quran in its true form is fact and truth, but in expressing the truth of the Quran into english that it can not be taken as literal fact. example Allah does not have hands as we would imagine hands. and therefore i shall simply redouble my efforts in learning arabic.

peace

[Advisor]

Well even the people who know arabic sometimes makes mistakes concerning expaining the Quraan.
The best is learning the basics of the creed and if we incounter a Quraanic Verse that may look like it has an meaning that doesn't befit Allah or any of the prophets Peace be upon them, we say to ourselves: I Beleive that this Verse is Right, But I don't know what exacltly means.

[Emilee]

Apparently they are all not trustworthy.
 All the ones we had the chance to look at had such mistakes, Unfortuanally.  :-(

thats why only  Holy Kur'an in arabic is the accurate one, and its good to know Arabic for this purpose, as Kur'an was originally written in Arabic.
peace :-)

[Hadi]

peace :-)

Peace upon you