Topic: Al-Mawlid, Celebrating the Prophet's Birth is %100 Islamic

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السلام عليكم
pumarage i just sow this topic

http://www.talkaboutislam.com/pn/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=3731&POSTNUKESID=6500eefe63df78bf5bd6f70618d55be4

لذا اظن انك تقرا العربية , ان كان نعم فانا جاهز للحوار في هذه المسالة معك واعدك ان لا اذكر شيئا الا مع الدليل ان كنت تريد فانا جاهز لكن انا اكتب باللغة العربية لصعوبة ترجمة الاقوال الى الانكليزية وان كنت لا تستطيع نطلب من احد الاخوة ترجمة ما ساكتب حتى يعم النفع ان شاء الله
 
salams

[Hadhrami]

assalaamu 'alaikum,
i agree, in a way, with brother anwar.
if celebrating the birthday is islamic, 100%, then why didnt the ssahaabah, ok no problem, tabi'een, not even them? ok, their tabi'een? what was that? not even them??? if no one from the above mentioned three groups celebrated, then how come it is islamic??? it is an innovation, no one is saying its kufr or shirk. its a bid'ah.
and remember, lakum deenukum wa liya deen. if you disagree, then disagree. you choose to follow the person who started this celebration, i choose to follow the ssahaabah.
wa assalaamu 'ala man ittaba'a alhuda.

[Khaldun]

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[pumarage]

yes.. give me your daleel.. as long as it's a qur'an and sunnah talk. that would be more than welcome.

[Advisor]

Hadhrami said

if no one from the above mentioned three groups celebrated, then how come it is islamic?

الحمد للله والصلاة و السلام على رسول الله


May I remind the readers that he is talking about us praising the Prophet, and Allah praised him in the holy qura^an, and the sahabah praised him in his life and continued to after his death, i.e. the did not through away poems and stopped reciting them.
also he is talking about us giving food and sweets to people. does any sane Moslem or non-Mouslem say thats bad?
as for doing that in a certain date. you can't say its bad unless you have proof. and the fact that sahaba didn't do it is no proof.
Did they ride cars? did they build schools? did the build minarets (Maathen)?
 Please stop trying to confuse Moslems. Hadana Ellaho ela ma yo7eb wa yarda...

[ZAnwar]

May I remind the readers that he is talking about us praising the Prophet, and Allah praised him in the holy qura^an,

and the sahabah praised him in his life and continued to after his death

you can't say its bad unless you have proof. and the fact that sahaba didn't do it is no proof.

Did they ride cars? did they build schools? did the build minarets (Maathen)?
 Please stop trying to confuse Moslems. Hadana Ellaho ela ma yo7eb wa yarda...

1) Allah praised many other prophets, like Ibrahim alayhi-salaam. We celebrate his birthday? NO!

2) sahabah continued PRAISING him, keyword is "praising". This does not mean celebrating his birthday.

3) have you proof that they celebrated his birthday?

4) that is bad logic. they didnt have the technology we have now. do we have brains? YES. Did they have brains? YES, and were more loyal to Allah. If they didnt do it, why shall we?

IT IS BIDAH!

[Hadhrami]

:salam:
no sane muslim will say that feeding the poor is bad. but making so on a specific day, hasnt been followed by sahaabah (i believe they had food even back then).
celebrating the nabi, ssalla Allahu alaihi wa sallam, is like what the christians do.
brother anwar,
their excuse for not celebrating other anbiyaa's, 'alaihim assalaam, birthdays is because they dont know the dates. otherwise, they'd celebrate. but, i believe 'eesa (jesus) 'alaihi assalaam's birthday is known, why dont they celebrate it???
brother wolf,
you want a daleel for NOT doing something. ok, praying in jamaa'ah is good, right? how about i start praying the sunan and the nawaafil in jamaa'ah as well? there is no daleel AGAINST it, right? we are to follow the nabi, 'alaihi assalaat wa assalaam, in his doings (when it comes to 'ibaadah).

[Advisor]

الحمد للله والصلاة و السلام على رسول الله

First to ZAnwar:


1)there are 120,000 prophets the first is Adam and the last is Mohammad(alayhem essalam) and we only know Mohammad's birthdate who is the best of them.

2) Praising him in his birthday is not a bad thing, so we can praise him all year but not his in birthdate??

3)they didn't celebrate his birthday but they did things that never  occured in his lifetime and yes in Ibadat.

4)your Logic is worse. there are 2 types of bid^a,bid^at hoda and bid^at dallalah. although most bida^ are misguidance read the main article for the proof that this is not.

Second Hadrami
 
So what if wasn't done by the Sahabah? doing it on a certain day is bad? assigning a day in the year where people spread food among each other is bad? refer to the Hadith in the main topic for the explanation of the good and bad innovations. there is a rule to follow about innovations not all of them are bad.

and it is not anything like what the christians do.
We donot beleive in our prophet what they beleive in Issa. and we Honor him because Allah told us to. and we Love him because he saved all of us from shirk and kufr. and led us to paradise inshallah.
Thats why we celebrate the date of his birth. not the same reason the Christian Celebrats in jesus alayhima essalam for they beileive He is Allah wal Eiyatho billah
and his birthday is unknown we can't beleive such a claim by the christians with out prove from our sources of al athar


and what you mentioned at last is the lamest peice of argument I've ever read. if you find nothing about forbiding jammaa in nawafel then do it otherwise don't. because as mentioned in the main post taraweeh was not jammaa befor Omar bin Al khattab made it so and He is not a prophet as we all know.

READ THE MAIN POST PEOPLE PLEASE

[Hadhrami]

:salam:
brother wolf,
so you are telling me that you will pray nawaafil in jamaa'ah? and you think that you, or any other contemporary person is like 'umar?
as it for celebrating the nabi, 'alaihi assalaat wa assalaam's birthday is showing love to him. then thats your way of showing love. we like to show love to him in accordance to what his best followers did.

[Advisor]

I never said I would pray nawafel in jamaa'ah, I was explaining the rule. And I never said that I'm even near Omar in rank. No one after the prophet is better than Omar except Abou baker radiya ellaho ^anhoma.
But Omar accepted the fact that there are 2 kinds of innovations (Bid^a) so no one can say that all innovations after the prophets are innovations of misguidance after what he did. and showing the love for the prophet is not just by praising him in his date of birth. but by following his instructions like you said if some one praised him all his life without following his creed that one will not survive in the afterlife.
and may I remind the readers that learning ane verse of quraan on the hands of a trusted learned man is better than praising the prophet.
actually it is better than  100 rikaa as metioned in a hadith (nawafel of course).  and learning fikh is the best thing a man can do the hadith states that one "bab mina el ^elm" is better than a thousand rikaa (nawafel)

So no one says it is obligatory to celebrate the date the prophet was born. All we are saying is that it is a good innovation. that is we may gain some thawab by doing so. and we all need as much of that as we can collect.

There is no proof that celebrating and praising the prophet in his birth date is a bad innovation. and since what we do in this day is good then it's a good innovation. and the rule is "an action is not forbidden unless stated so in sharii^a" so assigning his date of birth to praise him and distribute food follows that unless you give me a daleel that it is forbiden and please from the sayings of scholars not from your oppinion unless you claim you are a mojtahed.
a reminder that the mashayekh and scholars of islam after king of Erbil started to do this said it is a good thing. and if you want names then I'll try to get some as soon as possible.
and again I will remind  the people to read the main post.
I must say that my intension in this debate is that Al hakk will be shown even if it is not on my side. and not that I win no matter what and so must all the participants