Topic: Al-Mawlid, Celebrating the Prophet's Birth is %100 Islamic

[me_against_wahhabis]

Please don't teach belief of Wahhabis here ok....We have overthrow you and refuted you with authentical proof after that you are comming back with false belief. First read about the refutation then talk; don't just talk as you like, talk with proof as we give to the people.

[Salman_Farsiy]

Please don't teach belief of Wahhabis here ok....We have overthrow you and refuted you with authentical proof after that you are comming back with false belief. First read about the refutation then talk; don't just talk as you like, talk with proof as we give to the people.

Assalamu Alaykum to all muslim brothers and sisters.

About why we dont celebrate our Prophet Mushammad (saw) birthday(mawlid):

1. Allah never ordered it. There is nothing about mawlid neither in Qur'an nor in Hadis Qudsiy. Approving the celebration of mawlid means Allah does know it or did not inform His Prophet s.a.w, but some ppl , with hidden knowledge knew it (Astag'furillah).
2. Rasullilah S.A.W. never celebrated his birthday, nor he ordered it to his sahabas r.a.
Appoving it means Allah's Messenger hide something from his companions by which they can achieve great rewards.
3. First four khalifs (Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman, Ali r.a.) never did it, nor ordered to it.
Approving it (mawlid ) means we know more than these great sahabas and love Prophet S.A.W. more than they did.
4. Neither sahabas, nor tabeins, nor tabae-tabein did it or ordered it.
Approving it means we know more than they did and love Prophet S.A.W. more than they did.
5. Not a single one of the four great imams never mentioned or ordered or celebrated mawlid themselves.
6. From the history it is known that celebrating birthday originated from pagan religions and traditions. Approving mawlid means approving the application of pagan traditions into Islam.

That's why even all scholars approve it I don't accept it. Even all muslims (and non-muslims as well) celebrate the Prophet's S.A.W. birthday,We don't do it.

At least it is clear the mawlid is bid'ah and pagan tradition. Everything is relative from the point of view different ppl). One can say it is good, while other can oppose it, but the fact remains fact, celebrating (whomever) birthday is unislamic.
Arguing in this matter is nonsense.

PS:I would like to clarify that the term "Wahhabiy" used nowadays to label people is something which was created by people who do not possess any knowledge. As everyone knows there are 99 names of Allah swt. One of those names is Al Wahhab, so calling someone WAHHABIY is not a good option, as it may lead to shirk.

[samsparky]

I feel the need to repeat myself again loool
scroll up and save me the effort

[Advisor]

Sam said.

I feel the need to repeat myself again loool
scroll up and save me the effort

Maybe I can Help
Salman Said

1. Allah never ordered it. There is nothing about mawlid neither in Qur'an nor in Hadis Qudsiy. Approving the celebration of mawlid means Allah does know it or did not inform His Prophet s.a.w, but some ppl , with hidden knowledge knew it (Astag'furillah).

But already sam has said:

In Islaam there is such thing as a good innovation - it is what complies with the Religion.

Examples of this are the presence of MaHaareeb (Prayer niches) in the Mosques and also the assembling of the chapters of the Holy Qur'aan (Suwar) in the present order and the insertion of dots under and above some of its Arabic letters - the Prophet didn't do it but that doesn't make it wrong.

Salman then said:

2. Rasullilah S.A.W. never celebrated his birthday, nor he ordered it to his sahabas r.a.
Appoving it means Allah's Messenger hide something from his companions by which they can achieve great rewards.

But already Sam has said

When the Prophet was asked about fasting Mondays, He said:"Yes, in it I was born....etc".
So if it's Islamic to honour this day of the week (by fasting) because one of the reasons is that the prophet was born on this day. Why do some people object to showing joy on this day? Are they more afraid for Mohammad's nation than Mohammad himself (peace be upon him)?

Then Salman said:

3. First four khalifs (Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman, Ali r.a.) never did it, nor ordered to it.
Approving it (mawlid ) means we know more than these great sahabas and love Prophet S.A.W. more than they did.
4. Neither sahabas, nor tabeins, nor tabae-tabein did it or ordered it.
Approving it means we know more than they did and love Prophet S.A.W. more than they did.
 

But Sam has already said:

Imaam Ash-Shaafi^iyy concluded from this that "Innovations in matters of Religion are classified into two categories: First, innovations that conflict with the Qur'aan or Sunnah (methodology of the Prophet) or an 'Athar (saying of the Prophet or the companions) or the consensus of the Islamic scholars are classified as innovations of misguidance. Second, what has been innovated in goodness and does not conflict with any of the aforementioned is an innovation which is not dispraised" (related by Al-Haafith Al-Bayhaqiyy in his book Manaaqib Ash-Shaafi^iyy page 469).
For those who wish, they can look at what Al-Haafith Ibn Hajar Al-^Asqalaaniyy said: "The celebrations of the honourable birth of the Prophet is an innovation of goodness".

I wonder if Salman thinks he knows better than Ashafii and Al Hafeth Al Askalani

5. Not a single one of the four great imams never mentioned or ordered or celebrated mawlid themselves.

They Approved that an innovation is either good or bad not just bad by deffinition

6. From the history it is known that celebrating birthday originated from pagan religions and traditions. Approving mawlid means approving the application of pagan traditions into Islam.

Pagan Tradition? I never heard Abu Jahl used to Celebrate his birthday?
What are we Talking about here? Why would the prophet order us to Fast Mondays for this reason then?

That's why even all scholars approve it I don't accept it.

Then I'm affraid the following Quraanic Verse Apply to you.
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At least it is clear the mawlid is bid'ah and pagan tradition. Everything is relative from the point of view different ppl). One can say it is good, while other can oppose it, but the fact remains fact, celebrating (whomever) birthday is unislamic.
Arguing in this matter is nonsense

Even Wahabies don't claim it's a Pagan Tradition. But if you claim it's nonsense to argue in this matter, do you have a proof it's a pagan tradition? or is it one of those things you've been brainwashed to beleive

Waffaqakallah

PS:I would like to clarify that the term "Wahhabiy" used nowadays to label people is something which was created by people who do not possess any knowledge. As everyone knows there are 99 names of Allah swt. One of those names is Al Wahhab, so calling someone WAHHABIY is not a good option, as it may lead to shirk.

Are you seriouse. Wahhabi is what we call the followers of the deviant Mohammad Ibn Abdulwahhab. Please don't tell me he is a great man Just because his Name is that. thats Unacceptable. The Khawariji who Killed Ali Ibn Abi Taleb is called Abdulrahman. Do you like him for that?

We are not belittiling a divine name! we are not even belittiling the man's father name. (And he was a good man his father). And we are definitly not naming  the group a devine name. So where is the shirk in calling a man wahhabi?
Even if you say that this person is wahhab (not Al-Wahhab) I think it's OK. it means he gives a lot.

Typical brain washed Wahhabi Fundimantalists' way of thinking.

[Devoted]

Wahabies have failed to stop Muslims from performing Mawlid celebrations all over the world.


Insha'Allah Mawlid celebrations will be much effortful and stronger and louder this year for the increased repudiation and love for our beloved Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.

What do you think?

[Lili]

as-salamou^alaykoum

baaraka Allâhou fikoum