Topic: Al-Mawlid, Celebrating the Prophet's Birth is %100 Islamic

[Devoted]

:laa_7awla:  

Bismillah,

Brothers we ask Allah to guide us to the truth.

In my opinion, and according to the Islamic teachings of Prophet Muhammad, for one to make a claim or spread a fact, one must have a proof.

So, why don't we really put it in short?

I offered my authentic Proves,

Now... Where is your proof?

[pumarage]

Assalamu alaikum..
Martin.. u may have found my last post refuting to u! although i don't really see how. I answered u insulting me 'or being blunt to me' without retaliating in the same manner and telling u u're stupid or such as u did to me or tell u like to show off or u're snob! Subhana Allah, how am i not to take those as insults!!! however Martin.. this isn't really such a great thing of importance for us to discuss. So plz don't worry about it and i do appologize akhi for whatever u want. there is nothing for me to do about that or say i guess.
why you want to know what am i? i told u i'm not a wahhabi.. i'm learning from them now and spending most time with them to learn and may Allah bring what is best. that's all i can say.

salam devoted.. no akhi.. i'm not back here to argue anymore. I just go around to read about your creed from u people and thinka bout it and compaire.. and i hope no one minds me doing that either. if u look at my post that actually may have been teh reason of this entire fuss.. u'll see it dated like 2 months back or so.. so don't mind it akhi.. sorry for that.

assalamu alaikum.

[Martin]

hey pumarage
now that everyone is sorry and so on, please help us to understand what really happened that made you hate the ahbash that much.
what makes me wonder, is that you keep on popping up telling us that we are wrong, and that the wahhabies are your best friends.
and we are not blind followers by the way. it took me some time also to be totally convinced by the AICP. actually i lived in the land of wahhabis, and i listened to so many of them, even before i became a pure " habashi", i had to compare also. and it is true that the people who are teaching you make the difference. the " ahbash" were full of goodness and rightousness, or at least the sheikhs or " awliyas" i met among them.
the wahhabis were full of lies and confusion. everything i do is "bidah" to them. everything they interpret as "shirk" without relying to the true explanation of the hadith. they hate that you follow a madhab, yet they take what they like from the imam of the madhab. and they say : oh he was from the salaf, he's good. but don't follow his madhab. what a lie.
every now and then, they have nothing but ibn taymiyyah and ibn baz, and so on, and you don't (not once) hear them say " abu hanifa".
the professionals among them are very smart in twisting facts if they know you're from the land of " sham". just to draw you. they will talk about the prophet and so on. just ask them can i visit the prophet . and they are naked. pumarage, i know these wahhabis very well, and we want the best for you. and it's up to you at the end.
not becoz some of us are nervous sometimes, you will turn away.
i remember my aunt visited one of the AICP teachers (also a waliyya), and she told her: hey, these ahbash shout too much at me. and the teacher answered her: would you prefer to be shouted at or dwell forever in hell.
you say something of "kufr" ,then simple you become murtad. all the imams of ahlussunnat say that (even wahhabis). some people just can't take it if we tell them so. and they start :"oh, these ahbash make takfir to everyone". they are already a kafir now, and they start preaching about kufr. at least we are frank and honest. ok i agree that some of us lack the style and the knowledge also, and may make takfir wrongly to you.
i swear by god ya pumarage that i mingled with so many wahhabis before. they are like the poison put in the most delicious dish. but alhamdu lillah, Allah guided me to the path of the truth.

[alurdumaaniyy]

My experience is very similar to Marviikad's, except that it has been taking place in Western Europe for 22 years approximately.

[Martin]

Ma sha2 Allah brother Alurdumaaniyy. i'm discovering that we have so many things in common (besides the migraine   ).

[alurdumaaniyy]

Allâh does what He wants.

[Selma]

حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل

[ZAnwar]

woah, i aint been here for a LONG time!

on topic, i really do not think that celebrating the birthday of Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu-alayhi-wasallam) is entirely islamic.

Islam teaches equality, and discrimination is not allowed.

If we celebrate his birthday, we have to celebrate every other Prophet's aswell then. As we can't, we shouldn't just celebrate one Prophet's birthday and ignore the rest.

If people are so keen, they should celebrate Prophet Adam (alayhi-salaam)'s birthday aswell, because he was the person who truely brought Islam to earth.

[al-Mouchaffah]

that is because we dont know for sure when the rest of Prophets were born.Second of all you know that religion is not about opinion my friend if  you say  this is not allowed then bring your proof from al Qur'an or al hadith or  the irreputable scholars such as Ashafiyy,Malik Abou Hanifah and Ahmad  may Allah raise their ranks .
Allah said (Qoul haatou bouhanakoum in qountoum saadiqiin)
i hope u read what we posted because if u did  then u would'nt be saying that u think that this is wrong. All around the world  this celebration is done .Wahaabiees are the one who say that this is  not allowed,for them u can't  celebrate the birth of this best man,the best of the creation Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him but they celebrate the birth of Muhammad ibnou abdul Wahhab. Whats wrong in reciting Qur'an, speaking  about the best of the creation that we take as example,and feeding poor muslim.who are these wahabbies to say that we can not praise the prophet when your Creator,our Creator praised him in al Qur'an by saying (wa in-naka la ^ala khoulouqin adhim). Thats because these wahaabies in reality they dont like the Prophet  in fact the hate the Prophet peace be upon him they are so sick minded  that they say that the one who says the salat alan nabiyy after the adhan in loud  voice  is  as bad as if he was commiting zinaaa with his own mom wa iyyadhubillah .These wahabbies they only follow their desires and the seek money and fame they dont fear Allah. when u follow  the majority the person is not usually noticaable but if u go apart from the majority then u get notice and thats what Ibn Taymiyaa and Muhammad ibnou abdul wahhab  did for fame and praise from people they invented their own religion subhanallah. but alhamdulillah we will keep warning against them until we die in sha 'Allah because they  are getting weaker wal hamdulillah.

[Advisor]

God Bless you al mouchaffah. Great reply. I hoped someone will reply to ZAnwar. because I was going to and my English in these matters is not excellent.
and the quraan states that the prophets عليهم السلام are -what means-"some are higher in rank than some"  and who holds the highest rank?
of course its our leader and our beloved our prophet Mohammad صلى الله عليه و سلم
 as for pumarage please someone explain to him that all the scholars despite the fact that the Hadith he mentioned  has an occasion the scholars like shafii  said it has can be applied to all situations. like lots of other Hadith. And he can bable about respect and rudness until his time comes, WHERE IS HIS PROOF? he has none.  no body asks him to become a "habashi" but he must not reject anything just because a habashi said it, follow the quraan and sunnah and the proofs from them.