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  Allah advised people to refrain from indulging in intellectual dishonesty:
وَلاَ تَلْبِسُواْ ٱلْحَقَّ بِٱلْبَاطِلِ وَتَكْتُمُواْ ٱلْحَقَّ وَأَنْتُمْ تَعْلَمُونَ
"And clothe not the Proven Truth with the falsehood
And do not conceal/withhold the Truth knowingly"  {Ref 002:42}
Intellectual deceit, fraud and corruption requires two things to be done:
(a)    Clothe some of the truth with falsehood;
(b)     Withhold; conceal some of the known truth by not disclosing it to others.
 
             It is not uncommon that shrewd, crafty and cunning persons have been misleading and misguiding people, the majority of whom do not apply common sense what to say of reflecting with reason and logic. Such persons are usually aware of the weakness and desires of other people and quite conveniently deceive them.
             Saamri {سامري} is one such character who took the gold ornaments of companions and did a trick and fraud with them. He made an object, resembling a calf,  in such a manner that some sound was heard coming from it. The people were surprised and amazed. سامرى  told them that it was their “Ilaha-إله” and they gathered around it.
            Getting information from Allah that during his absence from nation, سامرى has befooled his nation, Musa {Moses-Peace is upon him} returned in anger and furry. But he did not kill سامرى. Instead he conducted an enquiry and questioned his nation as to why they obeyed سامرى and acted in that manner.
 A group of people explained to him:
قَالُواْ مَآ أَخْلَفْنَا مَوْعِدَكَ بِمَلْكِنَا وَلَـٰكِنَّا حُمِّلْنَآ أَوْزَاراً مِّن زِينَةِ ٱلْقَوْمِ فَقَذَفْنَاهَا فَكَذَلِكَ أَلْقَى ٱلسَّامِرِيُّ 
فَأَخْرَجَ لَهُمْ عِجْلاً جَسَداً لَّهُ خُوَارٌ فَقَالُواْ هَـٰذَآ إِلَـٰهُكُمْ وَإِلَـٰهُ مُوسَىٰ فَنَسِيَ
"They said: "We did not break the promise with you by our own will.  But we were loaded with the jewelry of people and Saamri suggested to lay them off. Then he brought/made out for them a calf like object that produced sound. And they said to us “This is your god and the god of Moses but (Moses) has forgotten! "{Ref 20:87-88}
One group of people is giving their explanation. They said about what they had done was not by their design, but it was suggested by Saamri that we should return the jewelry in our possession belonging to other people. So these people gave it away. And Saamri converted that jewelry into a calf like object for them, the owners of jewelry. And they stated to this group of people that the strangest thing was that it also produced sound.
            سامرى had played a trick and created a wrong perception in the minds of people with that sound phenomenon. What Moses did? He cleared the fraudulent perception by a simple argument:
ٌ أَلَمْ يَرَوْاْ أَنَّهُ لاَ يُكَلِّمُهُمْ
"did they not see that it was not speaking with them" {Refer 7:148}
أَفَلاَ يَرَوْنَ أَلاَّ يَرْجِعُ إِلَيْهِمْ قَوْلاً
"Could they not see that it could not return them a word in the manner of speech" {Refer 20:89}
              The Bani Israel of that time after listening plain and simple fact had accepted their folly and stupidity and repented.
سامرى fascinated people with the buzzy-sound. Rashad Khalifa fascinated people with digit 19. Both don’t answer people with words. They merely fascinate and fascination makes people astray.
             The best way to get people out of fascination and enable them reflect on simple realities is to confront them with the truth which Rashad Khalifa clothed with the false hood; and tell that truth, which Rashad Khalifa deliberately concealed by not narrating to public despite knowing that. It will help many except those who have made Rashad Khalifa an idol in their hearts and feel continued fascination. 
              Rashid Khalifa worked hard to make people believe that verses 9:128-129 are false and injected. He applied and made use of both the techniques of an intellectual deceit. In this regard what Rashad Khalifa clothed with false hood and what fact he deliberately concealed are discussed in this paper. Saa’mri was much “wiser”; he played with buzzy-sound and was extremely successful in befooling an entire nation. Digits too have a fascinating affect; but, in the last, turn back on the person to expose him fully and nakedly, as you would see in the first part of this study. Fudging does not survive longer with respect to digits/figures howsoever Rashad Khalifa might have thought himself clever.
              The main job of "عقل", mind/intellect is to differentiate between two things; only by differentiating between things one earns the right to be called wise and prudent. Anyone who doesn't do it is merely an emotionalist, and is declared by Quran as the worst of the creatures. Should we not try to differentiate between a Messenger of Allah and a cheater?
             An intellectually dishonest person is in fact a pseudo intellectual suffering from psychological disorders and has the self assumed perception of greatness/superiority. He is a person who has a disease in his heart, in the words of Quran-e-Majeed, and Allah makes his disease "malignant"/ increasing all the time in his life {Refer 002:010}. He perceives as if he is purifying things while the fact of matter is that all his work creates nothing but confusion for many in the society.
             Rashad Khalifa is dead and his account is now with Allah. We should be concerned with what he left in writing, a stinking odor. We should be concerned for those whom he fascinates. Therefore he need not be proved an intellectually dishonest person, by comparing his sayings with others since those who idolize him, may insist that Rashad Khalifa was right when he said this thing and all others are talking non-sense. Rashad Khalifa should be judged and known by what he himself said and believed. Let 19 be the falsification test to know and expose the “inner side” of Rashad Khalifa, his "diseased heart"................... ...............MORE
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Re: Rashad Khalifa's intellectual deceit exposed; What he said was scum.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 August 2007, 06:07 »
the topic title says Rashad Khalifa

in the subject, you talk about Rashid Khalifa


so be it Rashad or Rashid, who is that ?




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Re: Rashad Khalifa's intellectual deceit exposed; What he said was scum.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 August 2007, 06:17 »
Sorry brother,

It is just typing error. It is Dr. Rashad Khalifa, writer of "Mathematical Miracle of Quran"

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Re: Rashad Khalifa's intellectual deceit exposed; What he said was scum.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 August 2007, 07:08 »
......  now this will show you how ignorant I could be, but sincerely  I never heard of the man .....

is it me or that the man is not very known ?



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Re: Rashad Khalifa's intellectual deceit exposed; What he said was scum.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 August 2007, 09:07 »
The people who are "sponsored" to undertake "large projects" are made known. He is a well known person, dead now, in the last quarter of previous century; but has left quite fascinating material. It is quite abundantly available on the net, "Submissions" and those who idolize him liked to introduce themselves as "submitters". It is good that you were not aware of him, it saved your time.

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Re: Rashad Khalifa's intellectual deceit exposed; What he said was scum.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 August 2007, 10:50 »
I can see that in your first post in this topic you called the man as having "psycho trouble" .

how could you say such a thing on no-scientific basis ?

or do you have info that I don't


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Re: Rashad Khalifa's intellectual deceit exposed; What he said was scum.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 August 2007, 12:22 »
Psychological disorders are not necessarily reflected by physical symptoms. The attitude, sayings and conduct of a person reflect the psychlogical disorders of brain/personality. A person who is deliberately clothing the truth with falsehood and deliberately withholding the other information only to avoid exposure of his act of clothing the truth reflects nothing but "disease of the heart" and disease of the heart metaphoricaly means nothing but phsychological disorders. Thanks.

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Re: Rashad Khalifa's intellectual deceit exposed; What he said was scum.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 August 2007, 12:42 »
deliberately ?

how can you be so sure ?

give me clear examples please.



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Re: Rashad Khalifa's intellectual deceit exposed; What he said was scum.
« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 August 2007, 05:51 »
This gentleman carried out the counting of each and every particle and word of the Grand Quran. He afterwards claimed that he is "Messenger of the Covenanat" {Meesaq Nabiyyeen}, the last messenger of Allah and to attract people announced that the verses 9:128-129 are false and injected in consideration of the phenonmenon of number 19. If you go through five articles, each starts with the quote and words of Rashad Khalifa {documented primary evidence} saying that such and such word occur this number of times. I have proved by quoting and bringing before the eyes of people that he lied with regard to the counting of numbers.
It is not matter of taste and smell that someone could genuinly err. These are figures. If some quotes a figure it is deliberate not bonafide error. And the people who do the tricks/cheat/fraud in a manner that may fascinate people are themselves suffering from psychological disorders. The documented evidence is more than a solid evidence as compared to anything else.

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Re: Rashad Khalifa's intellectual deceit exposed; What he said was scum.
« Reply #9 on: Monday 13 August 2007, 06:53 »
Dear Mazhar.

1) using spaces (two spaces between paragraphs) makes it easy to read you .....

2) if you push the QUOTE button to the top right of the post you are replying to, it becomes easy to follow ....


This gentleman

Who? Rashad Khalifeh? You were saying he was devious …. Now calling him a gentleman?

carried out the counting of each and every particle and word of the Grand Quran. He afterwards claimed that he is "Messenger of the Covenanat" {Meesaq Nabiyyeen},

Hmm. Mazhar if you type your message in firefox (which is an internet browser, like internet explorer, but far better in many regards, and that you can download for free from www.mozilla.org) you would see that any typing or spelling mistakes you have would be underlined in red, thus drawing your attention to correct those.

I don't think the word you meant is Covenanat… right ?

the last messenger of Allah

So Mr. Khalifeh said that he was a messenger ?

Where ?

When ?

How ?

What arguments did he present ?


and to attract people announced that the verses 9:128-129 are false

What people? Muslims? To attract muslims around him he claimed that a verse of the Koran (or more) is false?

Is this something logical?

and injected in consideration of the phenonmenon of number 19


I can't follow here….

What do you mean?


 If you go through five articles,

Where are those articles?
Where can I see 'em?

each starts with the quote and words of Rashad Khalifa {documented primary evidence} saying that such and such word occur this number of times. I have proved by quoting and bringing before the eyes of people that he lied with regard to the counting of numbers.



Really?

Guy the whole Koran has been digitalized and it would be so easy to count the number of any letter, word, sentence in it.

And knowing that there are many ways to read and write the Koran, how could you prove that something he said was wrong?

What was that?


It is not matter of taste and smell that someone could genuinly err. These are figures.

And?


If some quotes a figure it is deliberate not bonafide error.

That is not very fair of you. There is not only one way of reading or writing the Koran, but many….

And the people who do the tricks/cheat/fraud in a manner that may fascinate people are themselves suffering from psychological disorders.

Really? Where did you get this from? Any psy information on this?

The documented evidence is more than a solid evidence as compared to anything else.


Where is that docu evidence and what does it say?



 



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