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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 13 July 2003, 10:54 »
"Also, please remember that books are rarely written about the positive side of life - would Wolfe's Bonfire of the Vanities be so interesting had all the characters been friendly contributors to a smoothly running society? I think not. Extremes are always written about because they move us and are interesting".

Bonfire of the Vanities was a social satire: a work of complete fiction. It was also right on target and probably described the reality of the situation much better than any non-fiction could have!

Yes, you are right, I am getting into a complete other kettle of fish. I don't think poligamy is a crucial issue in Islam actually. But I do think that the rights of women is right up there...
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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 13 July 2003, 15:07 »
I completely agree, the rights of women is extremely important. There are many many misconceptions about this issue with regards to Islam. Most non-Muslims believe that we are totally oppressed, forced to cover ourselves as we are lower class citizens, forced into marriages with much older men who already have 5 wives, beaten when we burn the dinner, not allowed any money of our own, nevermind work.
This is too large a subject to deal with all in one post, and I am sure that many of your concerns will be answered already in this section of TAI. If there is something you need explaining further then it would be good to hear from you, perhaps in a new thread if the subject is not poligamy :rdg1
My sister is doing post-graduate studies abd has just done some work on the rights of women in Islam. It has been very interesting to see the reactions of people like my mother who had no idea how many rights we have in Islam :love:

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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 13 July 2003, 18:23 »
there is something i don't understand here about moira.

first may be she knows tha this is an islamic website, in which we answer people about islam issues, we try to invite them to this religion, and we are very attached to this religion.

second it looks to me that moira has some interest in islam, but because she views it to be very wrong to her. so she's trying here to do something by telling us that your religion is wrong. it doesn't seem she wants to learn about why islam tells us to do so. it seems she just wants to scream out: "hey jungle people, enough. we in the west here have better values for humanity, hence we should prevail. ". Apparently moira built this image by following the western media too much. so she's very excited that she wants to show us her side of the truth.

so just tell us one thing moira : do you really want to learn about islam or you just want to make fun of it? if you want to learn, this site is full of useful informations that you can read. something you don't understand, then just ask . we will answer you. but don't say crap or old sick traditions about our islamic law.

i'm sorry i sound rude. but we were more than offended by your posts, although it helped to shed some light on how some westerners look at islam.

we still wish we can call you one day our sister in islam, and that's why everyone is patient here and replying to you. i don't deny that this is my wish as well. please don't feel so angry, but please try to understand that this is not human rights law we're talking about here. it is islam. our religion.

and thank you for your time to read this

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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 13 July 2003, 19:00 »
:blowkiss: I TRULY APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECIEVED BOTH POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE. I SAY THIS BECAUSE I AM MARRIED AND I AM A VERY JEALOUS WOMAN. BUT I KNOW I MUST PUT THIS JEALOUSY ASIDE BECAUSE THESE LAWS ARE NOT MANS LAW. THESE LAWS ARE ALLAHS LAWS. THIS LIFE IS NOT MEANT TO BE ALL FUN AND GAMES. WE MUST ENDURE  MANY TRIALS TO MAKE IT INTO PARADISE. REMEMBER THIS LIFE IS LIKE A PRISON TO US MUSLIMS AT TIMES BECAUSE OUR FOCUS IS NOT TO TRY AND RECIEVE OUR REWARDS IN THIS LIFE, BUT IN THE NEXT.I SAY THIS BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE MAY FEEL THAT SOME ISLAMIC LAWS ARE NOT FAIR, BUT I SAY AGAIN ALLAH KNOWS WHAT WE KNOW NOT. WHO ARE WE TO QUESTION? :#1:  ALLAH MADE ISLAM  PERFECT, BE VERY CAREFUL NOT TO MIX YOUR OWN OPINIONS WITH THE WORDS OF ALLAH FOR YOU MAY HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THAT ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT. TO CHANGE THE WORDS OF ALLAH OR TO DISPUTE WHAT ALLAH HAS MADE PERFECT IS A GRAVE SIN.ALSO THOSE WHO USE THE LAWS OF ALLAH UNJUSTLY WILL HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THAT AS WELL. :no2  WE CANNOT USE MISUSE OF OUR DEEN AS EXAMPLES OR EXCUSES TO DISMISS LAWS THAT ARE FOR US TO FOLLOW.REMEMBER  WE MUST HAVE FEAR OF ALLAH. :!:
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Re: THANKS
« Reply #14 on: Monday 14 July 2003, 02:00 »
You're welcome basimah (F)

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:I SAY THIS BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE MAY FEEL THAT SOME ISLAMIC LAWS ARE NOT FAIR, BUT I SAY AGAIN ALLAH KNOWS WHAT WE KNOW NOT. WHO ARE WE TO QUESTION?  


Youy're right in saying that we must not question, we may not understand the wisdom of a certain judgment, but we never question, and we certainly dont ever feel that some of Islamic laws are not fair, never, because Alah ta^ala put these laws, and if one says that it's not fair, then he's saying that Allah is not fair, which is blasphemous.

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« Reply #15 on: Monday 14 July 2003, 02:46 »
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"Moira, this is not accepted, we will not allow you to talk like this about our religous judgment".

Sorry, I realize my choice of words was overly harsh.
I'll try to be more subtle in the future.

Just out of curiosity: which rule was I violating?
Moira


To stay in this forum, you must not show any direspect to the Islamic teachings.

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« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 15 July 2003, 03:43 »
Non-Muslims often use extreme living examples to undermine our deen and try to show that this is what Islam is saying. Muslims are aware that there r bad Muslims in the world. We pray that Allah will guide them and us. May Allah help us to control our nafs so that we can live our lives free from the suggestions of Satan.

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When adultery is so common place in the west, the Muslims don't immediately say that this is a part of Christianity. We simply say that this is wrong. We don't blame Christianity. If we did, our Christian brothers\sisters would not take anything we said seriously. This is why your comments r not taken seriously in the sense that we Muslims do not say that Islam is bad becuse some Muslims behave in a bad way.

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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 26 July 2003, 20:01 »
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When adultery is so common place in the west, the Muslims don't immediately say that this is a part of Christianity


Adultery happens everywhere, and is not culture specific.  I am just saddened to read that western culture is to blame for what seems like every wrong in the world.  While I do not agree with all the Islamic ideas, I certainly respect them and would never blame another culture for the "wrongs" in this world.  Everyone makes choices in life, some good and some bad....depends on how the person wants to live his life.  Having multiple wives may work for some, I know it would not work for me.  Just not my style.

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« Reply #18 on: Monday 28 July 2003, 10:14 »
Adultery is far more common in the West than it is in the Arab countries and Indian subcontinent. Adultery is even much less common amongst the Christians in those countries than it is amongst the Christians in the Americas and Europe. Look at the ammount of separated couples in the USA and Britain who despite not getting their marriages anulled still have sexual relations with new boyfriends/girlfriends. According to both Islam and Christianity this is adultery.

Clearly, fornication is much less socially accepted in north Africa and the Middle East than it is in England and the USA. In the UK, fornication is promoted on TV and at schools. Only they stress that it should be done with "protection". They barely suggest that it shouldn't be done. Clearly, this is neither a Christian or an Islamic attitude, but its origins in the modern day are very much rooted in Western society and principles.

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« Reply #19 on: Monday 28 July 2003, 13:01 »
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Adultery is far more common in the West than it is in the Arab countries and Indian subcontinent.


I beg to disagree.  We simply would not know where most adultery occurs, west, east, south, north.  The reason being we don't know about everyone else's marital status.  I didn't say how common it was in one area of the world vs. another area of the world, I mentioned that it happens everywhere.  I try desparately not to demonize another culture in my posts and remain respectful.

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Adultery is even much less common amongst the Christians in those countries than it is amongst the Christians in the Americas and Europe.


The Christians certainly don't have the market cornered on adultery and neither does any other religion......like I said before, it happens everywhere.

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Look at the ammount of separated couples in the USA and Britain who despite not getting their marriages anulled still have sexual relations with new boyfriends/girlfriends. According to both Islam and Christianity this is adultery.


And this bothers you because?  I guess I am not fully comprehending why adultery, unless it has happened to you, would interest you so much on a world wide basis.  People get married and it doesn't work out for whatever reason known only to the parties involved and those they choose to involve.  Try being a member of the Catholic Church and attempting to get a divorce.....not easy at all, lots of red tape/paperwork etc....this is just one religion I can think of at the moment that works with engaged couples to ensure divorce doesn't happen.  Then again, look at the Mormon Church were poligamy used to be an ok thing and now is illegal but I believe there still are some practicing poligamists in Utah and surrounding states.  In fact, I read this morning on the CNN ticker that someone just got arrested for poligamy and there are some more arrests coming.

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Clearly, fornication is much less socially accepted in north Africa and the Middle East than it is in England and the USA. In the UK, fornication is promoted on TV and at schools. Only they stress that it should be done with "protection". They barely suggest that it shouldn't be done. Clearly, this is neither a Christian or an Islamic attitude, but its origins in the modern day are very much rooted in Western society and principles.


I would assume we are talking about pre marital sex?  I would have no clue what happens in the United Kingdom regarding sex education.  However, I do know sex education is taught in the public school system where I live and abstinence is the primary school of thought.  Sex education is a subject a parent must discuss with their children on a daily basis once child is old enough to understand...educat ion on such matters often prevents unwed parents.  

I am truly sorry you feel the way you do about western culture....I will never believe only my country is to blame for the problems you feel exist in today's society/world.

 



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