Topic: Centralized leadership in Islam?

[Anonymous]

I was in a language class with Muslims from Iraq, Iran, Kurds from Northern Iraq, Somalians, Bosnians, Kosovoans (spelling?), and Pakistans.

It was a wonderful class: we had a great time. But, one thing I noticed is that the Muslims from different countries had such different interpretations of the Koran. When a woman from Somalia said that female circumcision is required by Islam, there were furious protests from all the other Muslims.

The Bosnians and Kosova Muslims criticized the idea that a man can have more than one wife saying it was backward and they (and their wives) were too educated to practice that tradition.

Basically, there was a lot of disagreement about the doctines of Islam.

I'm a Roman Catholic, and the leadership for Catholics all over the world is centralized in the Vatican under the leadership of the Pope and the Cardinal Bishops. There are also ecumenical councils periodically that discuss and determine changes and in doctrines.

Is there a centralized leadership for the Muslims of the world?

Moira

[Servant of Islam]

I was in a language class with Muslims from Iraq, Iran, Kurds from Northern Iraq, Somalians, Bosnians, Kosovoans (spelling?), and Pakistans.

It was a wonderful class: we had a great time. But, one thing I noticed is that the Muslims from different countries had such different interpretations of the Koran. When a woman from Somalia said that female circumcision is required by Islam, there were furious protests from all the other Muslims.

The Bosnians and Kosova Muslims criticized the idea that a man can have more than one wife saying it was backward and they (and their wives) were too educated to practice that tradition.

Basically, there was a lot of disagreement about the doctines of Islam.

I'm a Roman Catholic, and the leadership for Catholics all over the world is centralized in the Vatican under the leadership of the Pope and the Cardinal Bishops. There are also ecumenical councils periodically that discuss and determine changes and in doctrines.

Is there a centralized leadership for the Muslims of the world?

Moira

.In Islam, we have rules that all Muslims follow.

We take our judgments and teachings from Qur'an, sayings of prophet peace be upon him, Ijma^, and kiyas....

These are the bases that we use, we sure follow the scholars in what they say, but the scholars followed what I mentioned above to write and teach about Islam.

So, when someone say a judgment concerning our religion, we don't look who's this guy, or who's his father, or where he came from, we see if what he's saying doesn't contradict our rules, we see if it's based on the right proofs, then we say if he' right or wrong.

Let's take for example what has happened in your class....Having more than one wife is something that the Qur'an mentioned, and the prophet told about, and all the scholars said that this is lawful in Islam under certain rules, so the one who criticize having more than wife is not following the Islamic judgment, so his disagreement does not mean anything, as long as Allah made that thing lawful, the slave is not allowed to disagree.

Maybe the reason why you see many different ideas talking about Islam is because ignorance... Many people did not learn properly, then they come and say this is right in Islam, this is wrong in Islam, without any evidence .

[ABDU]

Excellent answer sister servant of Islam ..


Moira my friend, as for us we follow "AICP" .. it is our leadership ... why you are invited to read why:

AICP

[Anonymous]

So if I understand these answers correctly: no, there is no centralized leadership for all of the Muslims of the world.

And, isn't it true that there are violent disagreements between Muslims?
Such as in Pakistan where the Sunni and Shia are engaged in violent disputes.
Moira

[EVE]

hello Moira, how are you ?? I hope you are doing fine insha'Allah

I've just read your question and the answers

what I want to tell you is we, muslims, I mean true muslims, follow Al-Qor'an and the prophet sayings, if you look in the Qor'an aaalll around the world , it is exactly the same one, our leader is Prophet Muhammed may Allah raise his rank till the end of the world.

Muslims all around the world have exactly the same doctrine, they don't have any single disagreement about the islamic belief, it is all the same and they are the majority in the islamic world, as for what you call muslims which they have different belief if it contradict the Qor'an and the Prophet's sayings, then they are not muslims at all.

Did I answer your question??

[Anonymous]

Thank you Eve for you friendly response!
However, no, you didn't really answer my question.

When you make this kind of comment:
"Muslims all around the world have exactly the same doctrine."

I fail to understand that: yesterday in Pakistan 44 people died in a dispute between Shia and Sunni Muslims.

Doesn't that indicate that all Muslims do NOT have the same doctrine? If they are willing to show enough disrespect to attack people in a holy place, a mosque, they must have very strong differences...

As a Christian I condemn any acts of violence in any holy place, whether it be a mosque, a church or a synagogue. These holy places are a refuge for humanity: it is a true crime against humanity to bring violence to a place of worship.

Frankly, I do not see unity in the Muslim world after this mosque attack in Pakistan.

Moira

[EVE]

Thank you Eve for you friendly response!
However, no, you didn't really answer my question.

hmmm yes I noticed that .

When you make this kind of comment:
"Muslims all around the world have exactly the same doctrine."

I fail to understand that: yesterday in Pakistan 44 people died in a dispute between Shia and Sunni Muslims.

maybe I was not clear, ok I will explaim more to you: NOT every one says "I am a muslim" he is truely a muslim"
If someone says that he is muslim and his ID card shows that he is a muslim, and he is praying like muslims, BUT his doctrine contradicts the Islam religion and the true islamic belief, then he is not a muslim at all.
those people of two sects you are talking about maybe be one of them are not muslims maybe both, well I don't know.
It doesn't mean that muslims doesn't have problems and didn't make any wars together, in fact yes they did, but the (wrong part) is always the minority.
the history shows very clearly that there were terrible wars among christians too.

Doesn't that indicate that all Muslims do NOT have the same doctrine? If they are willing to show enough disrespect to attack people in a holy place, a mosque, they must have very strong differences...

I think you know now that not all the people who called themselves muslims are truely muslims.
There is ONE and only one Doctrine in Islam.

[selin]

If I you don’t mind I’d like to say few things here…

As being Bosnian my self I would like to tell you that this - our view about marriage is not according to true Islamic beliefs, this is more just our way of living. It has always been like this, that a man only have one wife at the time, and it is not that we are too educated for that (cause we are not any more educated than women in any other muslim countries) it is just that that is the way we live. And really there is no need for having more than one wife.

But unfortunately I have to say that Bosnians still have to learn a lot about Islam, because for the past 50 years we were not allowed to practice our religion since we were part of Yugoslavia and as such a socialist country where all religions were banned. I was 14 years old when Yugoslavia fell apart and during that time the only religious thing I did is to say eid greetings for the aid (no prayer) and that had to be done in a deepest secrecy because my father could ended up in a prison if a government would find that out. And 50 years is a long period and unfortunately we forgot a lot….
So what they said it is not Islamic at all, it is only a tradition in my country. Any one who truly practices Islam in Bosnia would not dare to criticize that.

(And it is Kosovars.) :bye:

Warmest greeting to all of you….  :bye:  :bye:

[Anonymous]

Hi Selin, and thanks for the spell check! Kosovars....

I would like to take this conversation further, but after a day of mowing our huge lawn, taking all the grass to the recycle center and pruning lilac bushes....I'm bushed!

Strange as it may seem, I'm the one who mows the lawn....my husband travels a lot so the task falls to me...and, the truth is,  I like it.

I feel very empowered behind that four cylinder Husqvarna.  
Moira :love:  :love:

[Servant of Islam]

If I you don’t mind I’d like to say few things here…

As being Bosnian my self I would like to tell you that this - our view about marriage is not according to true Islamic beliefs, this is more just our way of living. It has always been like this, that a man only have one wife at the time, and it is not that we are too educated for that (cause we are not any more educated than women in any other muslim countries) it is just that that is the way we live. And really there is no need for having more than one wife.

But unfortunately I have to say that Bosnians still have to learn a lot about Islam, because for the past 50 years we were not allowed to practice our religion since we were part of Yugoslavia and as such a socialist country where all religions were banned. I was 14 years old when Yugoslavia fell apart and during that time the only religious thing I did is to say eid greetings for the aid (no prayer) and that had to be done in a deepest secrecy because my father could ended up in a prison if a government would find that out. And 50 years is a long period and unfortunately we forgot a lot….
So what they said it is not Islamic at all, it is only a tradition in my country. Any one who truly practices Islam in Bosnia would not dare to criticize that.

(And it is Kosovars.) :bye:

Warmest greeting to all of you….  :bye:  :bye:

Welcome dear selin to TalkAboutIslam:wave2

This what we're trying to say, many people don't practice this, i.e., having more than a wife, and they are muslims, they don't do it but they dont deny its legitamacy.

I'm sorry to hear about what happend with you, you're country's situation is difficult, may Allah help you all and protect you.

 :blowkiss: