Topic: Justification of Hijab in the Quran

[abdurrahman]

I would love to revisit the issue of the justification of Hijab/the Burka/Islamic headdress in the Quran.

Please read carefully: I wish to establish if there is any DIRECT proof in the Quran itself that Hijab is justified. For the moment, I would like to stay away from any other form of Ijtehad or conjecture, including interpretations of Sunnah, just to keep things clear-cut until we can establish the truth step-by-step as this topic is complicated and heated enough as it is.

Does anyone know which verses of the Quran are pertinent to this issue? Please provide an English translation to the best of your abilities. I think for the interest of the discussion, if you are using a source other than yourself, please provide details about your source. While quoting from the Quran, please provide detailed Surah and Ayat references. It makes things a lot easier to verify.

I would love to see intelligent input from anyone interested in the topic...

[Servant of Islam]

I would love to revisit the issue of the justification of Hijab/the Burka/Islamic headdress in the Quran.

Please read carefully: I wish to establish if there is any DIRECT proof in the Quran itself that Hijab is justified. For the moment, I would like to stay away from any other form of Ijtehad or conjecture, including interpretations of Sunnah, just to keep things clear-cut until we can establish the truth step-by-step as this topic is complicated and heated enough as it is.

Does anyone know which verses of the Quran are pertinent to this issue? Please provide an English translation to the best of your abilities. I think for the interest of the discussion, if you are using a source other than yourself, please provide details about your source. While quoting from the Quran, please provide detailed Surah and Ayat references. It makes things a lot easier to verify.

I would love to see intelligent input from anyone interested in the topic...

This is a DIRECT PROOF

Plz read carefully

If you're not asking to argue only, this is a direct proof and must be enough to convince you, and I mentioned it in your other thread about hijab

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the khimar is what a woman cover her head with, and in this ayah Allah ordered women to cover their heads with the khimar.

This is your direct proof......

[abdurrahman]

This is a DIRECT PROOF

Plz read carefully

If you're not asking to argue only, this is a direct proof and must be enough to convince you, and I mentioned it in your other thread about hijab

Allah ta^ala said:

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the khimar is what a woman cover her head with, and in this ayah Allah ordered women to cover their heads with the khimar.

This is your direct proof......

First of all, mention what ayat and Surah this is so you can be verified. Your "authority" or "knowledge" is not beyond question...

Who performed the translation? Detail the interpretation used. Finally, are you capable of defending against other translations or are you incapable to do so?

Incidentally, I am interested in argument and proof. Do you happen to have a problem with that? If so please explain why..

[Servant of Islam]

First of all, mention what ayat and Surah this is so you can be verified.  

It's in Surat an-Nour, ayah 31

Your "authority" or "knowledge" is not beyond question...

If you've read my post carefully in the other thread you would've noticed that I said that I may be wrong in some things, but in this I'm right, and I hope that you can see this.

Who performed the translation? Detail the interpretation used. Finally, are you capable of defending against other translations or are you incapable to do so?

Alhamdulillah I do understand arabic, and the ayah is clear to me in arabic so I dont need any one to translate it for me, however, muslim scholars said that this ayah shows that it's an obligation upn Muslim women to cover their heads.
Arabic is clear, and the ayah is clear, and I dont need a milion proof on what I've said, my Qur'an and understanding, rigth understanding of Arabic, are my proofs, and I'm going to use this to defend my belief.

Incidentally, I am interested in argument and proof. Do you happen to have a problem with that? If so please explain why..

I would be more than happy to explain to you if you wanted to learn, but if you're just arguing to argue, I won't waste my time.

[abdurrahman]

It's in Surat an-Nour, ayah 31

 

If you've read my post carefully in the other thread you would've noticed that I said that I may be wrong in some things, but in this I'm right, and I hope that you can see this.

 

Alhamdulillah I do understand arabic, and the ayah is clear to me in arabic so I dont need any one to translate it for me, however, muslim scholars said that this ayah shows that it's an obligation upn Muslim women to cover their heads.
Arabic is clear, and the ayah is clear, and I dont need a milion proof on what I've said, my Qur'an and understanding, rigth understanding of Arabic, are my proofs, and I'm going to use this to defend my belief.

 

I would be more than happy to explain to you if you wanted to learn, but if you're just arguing to argue, I won't waste my time.

Okay, before both of us embark on a journey that is a waste of both our times, let me tell you precisely why I elicited this response...

First of all, there are some very specific Sunnah/Hadith you are using to transform this ayat from it's literal meaning to the meaning you just interpreted. A non-Muslim Arabic speaker would translate this very same Surah very differently with a very different meaning.

Before we go further into examining what interpretations are valid and why, let us put this admission on the table, no matter what your personal preferences might be...otherwise I strongly believe you are lying.

Other inferences about the Sunnah/Hadiths you are using may lead to some very different conclusions of its meaning. I am not claiming that this makes either side is right or wrong. I am trying ot elicit the plurality does exist in Islam and it is time we ALL learned some tolerance...

Please refrain from name-calling or abusing  censorship if the views do not go your way...as you suggested, as human beings it is difficult to make absolute judgements of right and wrong. Neither of us are divinely guided and only the word of Allah is absolutely beyond doubt...

[abdurrahman]

I would love to revisit the issue of the justification of Hijab/the Burka/Islamic headdress in the Quran.

Please read carefully: I wish to establish if there is any DIRECT proof in the Quran itself that Hijab is justified. For the moment, I would like to stay away from any other form of Ijtehad or conjecture, including interpretations of Sunnah, just to keep things clear-cut until we can establish the truth step-by-step as this topic is complicated and heated enough as it is.

Does anyone know which verses of the Quran are pertinent to this issue? Please provide an English translation to the best of your abilities. I think for the interest of the discussion, if you are using a source other than yourself, please provide details about your source. While quoting from the Quran, please provide detailed Surah and Ayat references. It makes things a lot easier to verify.

I would love to see intelligent input from anyone interested in the topic...

Just to emphasize what I am asking, examine carefully my original question. I said use the Quran and ONLY the Quran. REFRAIN from interpreting theSUNNAH at this point (which is exactly what you did anyway). What you believe is true Islamic belief (which not everybody agrees on) is IRRELEVANT to this particular discussion.

If you are unable to do so, do not participate in this discussion further. You are right it is a waste of YOUR time. It is a USEFUL pursuit for ME and PEOPLE LIKE ME...

[Servant of Islam]

I wonder how can you talk this much about arabic translation and the meaning of the ayahs of Qur'an while you dont know Arabic....

The verse that I gave is totaly clear, and I did not use any source of Sunnah with you yet......

If the discussion is gonna be based on your opinion and what you think, you have to know that our Religion is not based on opinions, and that's why I won't go on in discussions based on them....

Whar are your discussions based on?

[soldier]

asalam alaikum

bismillah

abdur rahman...you are intrested in argueing...

“Practice forgiveness, command decency and avoid ignorant people.” (Surah al-A’raf, ayah 199)

first: do not be arrogant, for it seems that you are clearly out to argue.

socondly: your "arguement"  is baseless for you are saying only use Qur'an and this in itself is baatil cuz the Qur'an and sunnah go together. Infact that is stated in the Qur'an itself.

thirdly: you are saying that a non-muslim person would interpret differently... so what, that doesnt concern us. We al-hamdulillah are Muslims and we interpret it based on what MUSLIM scholars say and what the sahabahs have said and how the ahadith go on to explain the ayah if there is any. a non-muslim does not even have Knowlege, what business do they have even attempting to interpret the book of ALLAH azza wa jall, . Why do you think the prophet (s.a.a.w) said: when looking for a ruling look into the Qur'an, if you cannot find it, look to the sunnah, if you cannot find it, look towards the opinions of my sahabahs, for they are like the stars and whichever one you chose, you will be guided. SO we look in the Qur'an and it is straight up.

Though there is a schorly differential, i will not argue that, THUS we go to the hijab and ALLAH azza wa jall says "O prophet! tell thy wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient that they should be known (as such) and not molested: and Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful."  (33:59)

and remember: do not ask a question if your only purpose is to argue for the prophet (s.a.a.w) forbid that.
do it to learn and to to come to an understanding insha'ALLAH u ta'ala.

walaikum a salam wa rahmatulllahe wa barakatahu

[ndya]

abdurrahman .. You know, the scholars of Islam are people that worked hard their whole lives travelling miles some barefoot to gain a proof or to look into a reliable chain of narration for a saying of the Prophet ^alayhis salaam. Do you know what at-tawatur is? It is when a truth is past down from such a large group of people to another large group of people and so on such to the extent that the logical mind and intellectually sound person would not accept all these people would agree on a lie. Do you know about the lengths to which the hadiths we have in books such as Sahih Bukhari are checked by those who collected them. There are strict conditions for this. Ya abdurrahman look into this, I have a strong feeling it would be of interest and benefit to you, take care
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[Zahhaad]

It is so simple.

The meaning of Khimaar in Arabic is that which covers the hair.

How is one with very little knowledge of the Arabic language considering himself worthy of disputing that?

A non-Muslim Arab who has studied classical Arabic in depth is fully aware of what Khimaar means and of how the term was used in the time of the Sahabah and before the revellation of the Qur'an.

As for a non-Arab with very little knowledge of Arabic, then he is in no position to argue against this whatsoever. Even an Arab with little knowledge of classical Arabic is in no position to claim otherwise.

NOTE: This is not to say that a person with good knowledge of Arabic is in a position to argue otherwise, as he is not either - since in that case he would know that he has no basis to do so.