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How do I teach Islam???
« on: Monday 22 January 2007, 16:01 »
Hello again! I haven't posted in so long but I've been reading this site off and on for the past few months. Just wanted to tell you guys about a situation that I'm having in teaching someone about Islam, but I don't really know how to do it since there is so much deviation, I have no idea where to start without getting into an argument. I don't know every proof in the Quran and Hadith by heart so its very difficult to prove my point by saying "I'm right because thats what I was taught" and them saying the same thing! Thats why I find this site so helpful. But I just wanted to start a thread about someone I'm teaching about Islam. She is a Muslim but I don't know exactly how much true knowledge she has but she seems quite stubborn and stuck in the feminist viewpoint that men are making rules for no reason other than to oppress women. That is what scares me the most. I don't want her to say kufur and then I tell her to take shahada and then she says more kufur.

Today for example, we were talking about the demonstrations in her homeland Lebanon. Somehow the conversation turned to women and hijab. Believe it or not, she's seen girls in Lebanon wearing hijab "making out" with men. She called them hypocrites because they dress religous but act in bad ways. I responded "Yes, people sometimes wear clothes, but the clothes shouldn't neccessarily define how high of a rank a person has in the religion. Sometimes its just a costume to hide their evil. What matters in the end is the belief in their heart not what their wearing." She agreed with this and said "I know. I hate how people try to say that I'm not Muslim because I don't wear the hijab." I told her "Not wearing the hijab is a sin but it doesn't make a person fall out of Islam." She said she disagrees with this. She said wearing the hijab isn't a sin and isn't even part of the religion. :? :-o   (I'm unsure if this is kufur or not??). I have never heard anyone say this IN MY LIFE. She told me to find her a proof in the Quran which says that the scarf is an obligation and not cultural. I found one thread http://talkaboutislam.com/forums/index.php/topic,2964.0.html
 about this topic and Servant of Islam posted Surat an-Nour, ayah 31:
Allah ta^ala said:
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the khimar is what a woman cover her head with, and in this ayah Allah ordered women to cover their heads with the khimar.

My computer couldn't read the text but that wouldn't matter since I can't really understand classical Arabic. Neither can she but I don't want to give her a misguided interpetation from some book I don't know. Can someone give me a word for word translation and explaination of this ayah? I tired to find some online but couldn't find anyone I trust. I know Yusef Ali's translation isn't a source for trustworthy knowledge. I read the geocities website www.geocities.com/hijabniqab and that helped as well but I want more! Here is the translation I read from Wikipedia, my questions in brackets...

Believers! Enter not the houses other than your own until you have introduced yourselves and wished peace to those in them. That is best for you that you may be heedful. If you find no one in the house, enter not until permission is given to you. If you are asked to go back, go back, for it is purer for you. Allah has knowledge of all which you do. It is no sin for you to enter non-residential places in which there is benefit for you. And Allah has knowledge of what you reveal and what you conceal. [O Prophet!] tell believing men to restrain their eyes and guard their private parts. (Men must avert their eyes from what is forbidden right?)
 That is purer for them. And Allah is well aware of what you do. And tell the believing women to restrain their eyes and to guard their private parts and to display of their ornaments (Does this mean body parts? Which body parts?) only those [which are worn on limbs] which are normally revealed and to draw their khum?r (This is the cloak?) over their bosoms (What about the rest of the body except the face, feet, and hands?). They should not reveal their ornaments to anyone save their husbands or their fathers or their husbands’ fathers (father in-law?) or their sons or their husbands’ sons or their brothers or their brothers’ sons or their sisters’ sons or other women of acquaintance or their slaves or the subservient male servants who are not attracted to women or children who have no awareness of the hidden aspects of women. They should [also] not stamp their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments (dancing?). Believers turn to Allah in repentance that you may prosper.

Is this translation accurate? If not someone give me a good translation and explaination so I can explain it to her. I don't think she's a member of the group "Quran Only" so some Sahih hadiths (preferably narrated by women) would be good. This topic came up when we were having a small discussion about hijab another day. Is Saudi Arabia allowed to enforce the hijab rule? Is there a sharia punishment for not wearing hijab or is it a sin with no punishment in this life? We all know they take it to an extreme (ex: forcing little girls to go back into a burning building to cover up), but do they have the authority to do this in day to day circumstances? Did Abubaker, Uthman, Omar, and Ali (may Allah have mercy on them all) do this?

Back to teaching about Islam. I have a book called "The Creed of Muslims" (accredited by Al-Azhar Al-Shariff) but it deals with refutuing the Whabbies. I don't think I should teach her about justification of celebrating Mawlid and Tawassul before I teach the basic Aqeedah of Islam, 13 attributes of God, etc but I want to do it in a safe and clear way. Like many Lebanese, she is politically motivated in everything she says and believes. I know many people on here are Lebanese and I think that you can guide me in teaching them about Islam. Any other tips on teaching Islam 101 to her and others will be greatly appreciated. Inshallah we will all benefit. Thanks for your time  :-*

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Re: How do I teach Islam???
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 January 2007, 16:18 »
^Whoops. made a mistake. She said that NOT wearing the hijab isn't a sin and isn't even part of the religion.

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Re: How do I teach Islam???
« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 January 2007, 21:45 »
Dear brother, may Allaah bless you.

I had part of that Verse explained and in shaa' Allaah I will tell you what I know.

The Qur'aan not only mentions the Hijaab, it also mentions how to wear it.

Surat an-Noor, Verse 31:

????? ???????????????? ?????????? ???? ?????????????? ???????????? ???????????? ????? ????????? ???????????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??????? ?????????????? ????????????? ????? ????????????

In the Verse, there is an order for the believing women to cover their adornment except that which is apparent.

"except that which is apparent" was explained by Lady A'ishah to be the face and hands.

This is also backed up by the Hadeeth of the Prophet where he said to Asmaa', the sister of A'ishah, what means that when the lady becomes pubescent she must cover all her skin except for this and this (and he pointed to the hands and face).

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Re: How do I teach Islam???
« Reply #3 on: Monday 22 January 2007, 21:51 »
For a woman to not wear the Hijaab but believe in wearing it, is a small sin. There is no punishment for it even in the presence of a caliph.

subHaanallaah bro, once you get this situation finished, go to the basics of the belief with their proofs.

For example, here:

http://talkaboutislam.com/forums/index.php/topic,4770.0.html

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Re: How do I teach Islam???
« Reply #4 on: Monday 22 January 2007, 22:20 »
Sorry bro I forgot to explain the rest of the Verse:

?????????????? ????????????? ????? ????????????

This is an instruction on how to wear the Hijaab.

walyaDribna bikhumurihinna means to cross the scarf (to put the left side of it towards the right, and the right towards the left).

And that is to cover the neck.

juyoobihinna here means the opening of the shirt.

So the woman puts the khimar (head cover) and uses it to also cover what might show of her neck from the opening of the shirt.

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Re: How do I teach Islam???
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 24 January 2007, 09:25 »
Thanks for the response. Is the one about Asmaa' sahih? I also hear there is a verse that says once a woman becomes so old she that she is no longer desirable, she doesn't have to cover. Where does the Quran say this and is this a proof that women of desirable age must cover? I would like to know exactly where it says this so I can show it to her if she is too stubborn to believe what I tell her is true because "I was taught this."

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Re: How do I teach Islam???
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 24 January 2007, 13:48 »
mash'Allah vry well sis
may Allah bless you

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Re: How do I teach Islam???
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 24 January 2007, 14:44 »
Thanks for the response. Is the one about Asmaa' sahih? I also hear there is a verse that says once a woman becomes so old she that she is no longer desirable, she doesn't have to cover. Where does the Quran say this and is this a proof that women of desirable age must cover? I would like to know exactly where it says this so I can show it to her if she is too stubborn to believe what I tell her is true because "I was taught this."

You're very welcome.

I don't know the classification of the Hadeeth I mentioned but in shaa' Allaah I will find out for you.

A woman must cover if she is accountable, even if she reached a very old age.

A female under pubescence is not obligated with anything. But it is good for her parents to tell her to cover once she reaches an age where she is normally desired.

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Re: How do I teach Islam???
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 January 2007, 14:45 »
mash'Allah vry well sis
may Allah bless you

aameen and you bro :)

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Re: How do I teach Islam???
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 24 January 2007, 16:16 »
You're very welcome.

I don't know the classification of the Hadeeth I mentioned but in shaa' Allaah I will find out for you.

A woman must cover if she is accountable, even if she reached a very old age.

A female under pubescence is not obligated with anything. But it is good for her parents to tell her to cover once she reaches an age where she is normally desired.
barakallahu fik sister. I would also like to know where in the Haadeeth it says this. I will try to get my hands on the book. Can you also ask about the old age? I know many people on here are following the Shaffieh mathab on this site. Maybe this is rule from another mathab? I will ask the person who told me about this. He gave me the verse but I don't remember what it was. I will try to ask him to give me the verse again and I'll let you guys check it out for me.  :wink:   :-*

 



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