Topic: the prayer times

[D. (Scotland)]

Salaam brothers & sisters,
apologies if this has been covered before but I would like to hear your views on this.
how important is it to keep to the prescribed times of the day (& night) to pray?
for example, I live in Glasgow (Scotland) and the prayer times for today as listed in "islamicity.com" are: 4:43am,  6:47am,  12:28pm,  3:23pm,  6:09pm,  8:14pm.
sometimes in my job i have to work diffrent hours so the 4:43am time is at times almost impossible to achieve.

also on another point, as above with the prayer times there are 6 times listed. confussion is now upon me as i believe i should pray 5 times a day.
apologies for such a mundane question but it takes many small steps to travel a long road.




Daoud (Scotland)

[Sami Yusuf Islam]

Salaam brothers & sisters,
apologies if this has been covered before but I would like to hear your views on this.
how important is it to keep to the prescribed times of the day (& night) to pray?
for example, I live in Glasgow (Scotland) and the prayer times for today as listed in "islamicity.com" are: 4:43am,  6:47am,  12:28pm,  3:23pm,  6:09pm,  8:14pm.
sometimes in my job i have to work diffrent hours so the 4:43am time is at times almost impossible to achieve.

also on another point, as above with the prayer times there are 6 times listed. confussion is now upon me as i believe i should pray 5 times a day.
apologies for such a mundane question but it takes many small steps to travel a long road.




Daoud (Scotland)

Brother Daoud. PLEASE ASK


You don't know how happy we are to help


Yes , there are 6 points of time in order to indicate five prayers.....  because those are five intervals of time each delimited by two points.


Read with me:

Fajr to Shurooq is one time.

Then Dhohr to Asr

Then Asr to Maghrib

Then Maghrib to Ichaa

Then Ichaa to Fajr


Fajr ----------pray fajr before --------> Shurooq --------- no prayer here ----- Dhohr -------- prayer before-----------> Asr--------------- pray before---------> Maghrib--------pray before------> Ichaa------pray before --------> Fajr

and there you go again.

you see why you need 6 points of time per 24 hours??



now as to your first question about the prayer........


my dear brother Daoud, have a look with me on the wonderful thread of sister ^Ismatuddeen on The General Education a Muslim kid should have : How do I raise my children the proper way?


Based on this, you would see how important the prayer is. The prayer is one of The Greatest Matters Of Islam

This should also answer the question of Why is praying so important?

Yet, if a Muslim does not pray, not that he or she denies the prayer, but simply that he or she is too lazy to do it, we would not call him a non-Muslim for that. Brother Abdu has well explained this here

Those are 5 prayers

Next, read with me how to prepare for the prayer, by having the right purifications and ablutions. Read about
Ablution (Wudu') and about the general purification in The Purificatory Bath (Ghusl)

Now that you know how to prepare for the prayer, you should be aware of the times at which you should pray….  Read with me Times of Prayer (Salah) (Namaz)

Before you go into the prayer, you should know what would be the Invalidators of Prayer that you should avoid during the prayer…..  

The integrals of the prayer should not be ignored, as the prayer is not valid without those. Read about the Integrals of Prayer

Also read about the Additional Conditions of Prayer

In order to have the reward of the prayer, one must meet the Conditions for the Rewardability of Prayer. Read also Conditions for the Rewardability of Prayer


Other forms of the prayer include The Congregational Prayer (Jama^ah) and the Friday Prayer (Jumu^ah) and the The Funeral (Janazah) prayer.


There are some special Conditions of the Friday Prayer (Jumu^ah) that we should know.

When praying The Congregational Prayer (Jama^ah), make sure you keep Following the Imam in Prayer for that is really important.

Some other readings about the prayer that you would find interesting is to read why do we raise our voice when reading Koran in the prayer?

I hope I have answered your question well my brother. If you are happy with my answer, please tell your friends and family about this great board, and tell them about the great experience your are having here .....  it is easy to remember : http://www.TalkAboutIslam.com .....  :-) (Y)(Y)

 we love you Daoud !!!!

rose10

[Dr Aisha]

Masha Allah.  It seems that with all that has been said I should be speechless.  I just wanted to add one thing.

Most of the time our fear of praying in public is based more on our fear of what others will do than what they actually will.  Praying takes an average of 5 minutes or so.  In the  work force this is really a small amount of time.  Would we think twice about leaving if we had to go to the bathroom?  Would we try to hold ourselves until it was a more convenient time for our job.  NO!  Why, because we have to go-it is not an option and it doesn't take that much time (no one will miss us).

Finding a place to pray usually takes a little more thought.  Of course you could pray anywhere there is room but most people try to find a private place either out of shyness or the need to concentrate.  But even finding a good place to pray shouldn't be hard.  Insha Allah, things will work out fine for you.  

Let us know how it goes.   :wink2

[Sami Yusuf Islam]

Masha Allah.  It seems that with all that has been said I should be speechless.

May Allah bless your heart doctor, no please, always add your two dimes…  sometimes it is this little one single word in your explanation that might clarify the whole thing to the reader….


Doctor, keep in mind always, that we have readers of all languages and all levels of education… what might be clear for you and me might not be so for another brother or sister of Islam…. Thus, please never spare the energy….

Most of the time our fear of praying in public is based more on our fear of what others will do than what they actually will.  Praying takes an average of 5 minutes or so.  In the  work force this is really a small amount of time.  Would we think twice about leaving if we had to go to the bathroom?  Would we try to hold ourselves until it was a more convenient time for our job.  NO!  Why, because we have to go-it is not an option and it doesn't take that much time (no one will miss us).

excellent words…

I had many friends complain about the prayer while doing their army service… I would regularly ask those: can’t you go to the restroom if you need to?? The answer is a fast Yes….. Well, then you can be absent for a few minutes…. Do your prayer ..

Finding a place to pray usually takes a little more thought.  Of course you could pray anywhere there is room but most people try to find a private place either out of shyness or the need to concentrate.  But even finding a good place to pray shouldn't be hard.  Insha Allah, things will work out fine for you.  

when I first came to Switzerland about 7 years ago, I used to look for a very very private place to pray when I had to pray outside….

This was the case till one day I only remembered that I forgot the prayer (Asr) only a few minutes before the actual sunset that I could see coming at the horizon…. I had no time to look for a private place to pray…. I just laid my praying carpet on the floor, checked the direction of the kaaba with the compass fixed on it, and prayed…

When I was praying, many mothers accompanied by their young kids passed by, and the kids were pointing at me asking their mums what I was doing….. that was sooooooo cute!

When I finished, some adult stepped forward and told me he was very impressed how strong my belief is…. He told me: I am really impressed that you did not miss your prayer…  you  must have a very strong belief….

On many different occasions afterwards, I had compliments and positive remarks from people who saw me praying in public places…

If one day you are visiting my city in Switzerland and you find a guy praying on a red carpet on the sidewalk, step forward and ask if that is ABDULLAH of TalkAboutIslam……

;-)

[ABDU]

If one day you are visiting my city in Switzerland and you find a guy praying on a red carpet on the sidewalk, step forward and ask if that is ABDULLAH of TalkAboutIslam……

;-)

Sure it would be Abdullah of talkaboutIslam .
you are an amazing person Abdullah my beloved brother and friend.

it would be my pleasure to be yours too.

May Allah gather us in paradise  :hearts2  :hearts2

[Ameera]

Salams

I have a question about prayers.  Can you please let me know (if there is evidence please let me know that too) if it is true that a convert can not pray unless he/she can say the prayer in Arabic.  As Arabic can be a hard language can a convert pray in their language, as some languages do not have letters or sounds that Arabic has so it might take a while before someone can say and be able to remember the prayer in Arabic.

May Allah bless you for your help

Ameera

[Servant of Islam]

Salams

I have a question about prayers.  Can you please let me know (if there is evidence please let me know that too) if it is true that a convert can not pray unless he/she can say the prayer in Arabic.  As Arabic can be a hard language can a convert pray in their language, as some languages do not have letters or sounds that Arabic has so it might take a while before someone can say and be able to remember the prayer in Arabic.

May Allah bless you for your help

Ameera

Welcome dear  :hearts2Ameera:hearts2 in TAI

It's obligatory to read al-Fatiha in the prayer for the validity of prayer, and the one who doesn't know how to read it, MUST learn this.

However, if that's person wanted to pray, and didn't find someone to teach him, and if he's gonna go to someone to teach him, he won't have time to pray in the time, he reads another part of the Qur'an instead of Fatiha, 7 verses for example that are composed of 155 letter or more.

If one doesn't know to read any part of Qur'an, he says:

ÓÈÍÇä Çááå æÇáÍãÏ ááå æáÇ Åáå ÅáÇ Çááå æÇááå ÃßÈÑ æáÇ Íæá æáÇ ÞæÉ ÅáÇ ÈÇááå ÇáÚáí ÇáÚÙíã  

Subhanallahi wal hamdulillahi wal ilaha illallahu wallahu akbar wa la hawla wala kuwwata illa billah al^aliyyil^athim

I think that you need help from a person who knows arabic to help you reading this Ameera.

P.S: You can read this just till you learn, you can't delay this, you must find someone who can teach you this sis, even if you hd to travel to someone if no one is in your country to tell you how.

If you want, send me a pm, and I'll try to help more.

These informations about the prayer is from at-Tanbih book my sis.

I hope that it helpes.

Welcome again to TAlka About Islam rose07

[Ameera]

Salams Servant of Islam

This is not for me I have been muslim all my life Alhamdallah, this is for a convert I know who is having difficulty in learning Arabic and they are finding it hard to pronounce some words, I didnt feel I could help them without finding out information, as I was told that they can only pray in Arabic and can not recite the fatiha or other ayahs in their native language in prayer, I didnt know how to answer to that as I know Arabic I cant tell how hard it is to learn it.  Sorry for rabbitting on.

Thank you for your help so far I will forward your information to them inchallah, and if you can shed some light on the above it would be great.

May Allah bless you for your help

Ameera

[waelaziz]

Welcom sis. Ameera

[Sami Yusuf Islam]

Please make douaa with me and ask Allah to reward our dearest Servant of Islam for the great work she has been doing.


May Allah bless her heart.