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QUESTION: Sent to Kellogs
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 19 February 2003, 13:11 »
the meat we eat is shouldn't came from an animal that was killed by shocking , or by gun or hit to death ... it should be slaughtered from the nick .. because in that way we assure that all the blood would come out from the body ...You know that this type of slaughtering is the best one to kill an animal you want to eat ( becareful we don't eat also any animal). the main vien that transefer the blood to the brain and to all the body is located in the nick so once you cut it no there would be a message that come to the heart that there is no blood is going to the brain so it bumbs all the blood to the brain , so it comes out all of it from the body .. and that is the best way .

about importing food , yes there is a department for that .. but I don't know how do these foods go through them and they authorise them... but there is once a time that they import a kind of food to the country , but after some days they porhabitted it and collect it again from the market, because it is not Halal ...( I don't know how do it go in from the first time) .. so as you see it there is nothing certain that you can count on it .. and that what is really scares me.

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Since I am not Muslim, I do not have such fear
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 19 February 2003, 13:47 »
I do not fear things that are out of my direct control.  There are people in my country that are afraid to have ANY processed food so they grow their own, ALL OF IT.  They may live longer, and be healthier but that is all they have time to do is grow their own food.

I live in a city now, and have been in college for several years so my family buys food at the market.  We are not fearful of food laws since Christianity does not concern itself with such things.  As a matter of fact, we have been taught that it is not what goes into our mouth that can defile us, but rather what comes out of our mouth.  Not food going in but words coming out of our mouth is what can defile us before God, and the reason for this is that from the overflow of our heart (our innermost being) is what our mouth speaks.  In other words it is the words we speak that can defile us before God.

This is why the food laws are not part of our religion.

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QUESTION: Sent to Kellogs
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 19 February 2003, 14:00 »
But in Islam We should take care of our body, becasue we don't own our body. Allah (God) Give us this body and we should treat our body good, in order to be able to worship Allah and thank him for all what we have here, in order to rewarded in the hereafter. There is a saying in Islam that means that "our body has rights" and we should respect these rights .. so we shouldn't feed him what is Haram, becasue what is Haram is not good fro ourbody. Any thing that is forbidded in Islam and  sorted as haram, we dicover afterwords that it has bad affects.

   So we should seek all Halal food for us, in order to strenghen our body and be able to worship Allah, as He suppose to be worshipped.

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I understand that
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 19 February 2003, 16:08 »
I know that you see some things as sinful to eat and mostly it is because in many parts of the world it cannot be eaten safely.  That was the case in the Middle East for centuries.  Today, however, we have the ability to grow things much cleaner than they did when all the food laws were created.  It is for that reason that we find it unnecessary to worry about the food laws of the ancient past.

I know you want your body to be in good order and that is obviously what all of us should do, however, if we drink coffee or tea, or if we eat many foods, or even if we use bleached white flour and sugar we are eating things that are not healthy.  In addition to all of that if we eat too much, we get fat, or if we do not exercise we get fat and out of shape.  All of these things fall into this same category, don't they?  I know you will find your way, I just would find it more of a bondage than freedom.  I will not follow a religion of bondage, as I was once in a religion that kept me in bondage to legalistic attitudes.  I follow the religion of freedom to choose.  I feel obligation to love my Lord and my love for Him is my only motivation for my actions.  I do not choose to behave properly out of fear nor out of the promise of reward, only out of a positive love for Him because He first loved me.  When I was lost in my own sin and unable to reach Him, He came to me, and that was the good news to me.  I do not have to attain perfection to see him, I strive to be perfect and better each day out of my love for Him, but if I am not able to achieve perfection, He is perfect and has already paid for me the price of redemption.

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Re: I understand that
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 25 February 2003, 12:13 »
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I know that you see some things as sinful to eat and mostly it is because in many parts of the world it cannot be eaten safely.  That was the case in the Middle East for centuries.  Today, however, we have the ability to grow things much cleaner than they did when all the food laws were created.  It is for that reason that we find it unnecessary to worry about the food laws of the ancient past.

I know you want your body to be in good order and that is obviously what all of us should do, however, if we drink coffee or tea, or if we eat many foods, or even if we use bleached white flour and sugar we are eating things that are not healthy.  In addition to all of that if we eat too much, we get fat, or if we do not exercise we get fat and out of shape.  All of these things fall into this same category, don't they?  I know you will find your way, I just would find it more of a bondage than freedom.  I will not follow a religion of bondage, as I was once in a religion that kept me in bondage to legalistic attitudes.  I follow the religion of freedom to choose.  I feel obligation to love my Lord and my love for Him is my only motivation for my actions.  I do not choose to behave properly out of fear nor out of the promise of reward, only out of a positive love for Him because He first loved me.  When I was lost in my own sin and unable to reach Him, He came to me, and that was the good news to me.  I do not have to attain perfection to see him, I strive to be perfect and better each day out of my love for Him, but if I am not able to achieve perfection, He is perfect and has already paid for me the price of redemption.

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There is a saying in Islam that any thing that become over the limits it is surely will turn in oppisite .. so we should eat any halal food in reasonable meals not too much and not too low .. because even if u eat only the Halal and you ate too much of it you will become sick ..and that is not what Islam is urging us to do to our body...Soo what you need from a releigion more than that .. a religion that takes care of your body and soul in the same time .. is it a bondage to look after your self ?! ...

as Human beings we can not decide every thing wether it is good or bad, because we don't have that amount of knowledge .. so we take our knowledge from our releigion .. and every day it proves that what the quran forbid it for us is in the real a bad thing for the humanity .. you may call the instructions of Islam that rules our life a bondage what in my sight of view I see it as a guide for me to the hereafter and the paradise at the end .. As muslims we believe that this life is a passage or a way that we all should go through to reach the hereafter and the rewards .. and Islam is helping us to pass this way with all good deed that will qualify us for the paradise in the hereafter .. Do you know that when u work hard to accomplish something, and you know that at the end you will gain what you want, at that moment you will not feel how much you suffer ,instead of that  you will enjoy it, and will not feel that you are bondaged or tired at all  because at the end you know that you will get what you want  .. this is our Islam ... we work hard now and may be suffer a little , but we know that at the end the as much as we work we will get our reward...

about worshipping Allah  because of Fear of his punishing and wanting his reward .. we must do that .. and we also worship him because we love him ... We know that at the end we are not going to paradise becasue of all our good deeds, but because of his mercy ... You know that Allah is very patient with us ..he gives us all the time to correct our selves and see what is wrong and what is right...

(Sorry I didn't understand this "but if I am not able to achieve perfection, He is perfect and has already paid for me the price of redemption"  :hmm

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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 25 February 2003, 12:25 »
And there is one more thing

Islam doesn't forbid us from kind of fods because it is not saftey to eat it in the past .. it forbid it because nomatter how r what do you do ith it it still very dangerous and bad for the human health and cause serious diseases for him. Like the pork no matter what you did it it still dirty, because the environment it lived in it is dirty, so there will catch many bacteria and bad viruses that cause fatal diseases ...

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QUESTION: Sent to Kellogs
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 25 February 2003, 12:41 »
walawwwwww

it is very dramatic!!!

kalass i will just eat a ''manouchee''

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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 25 February 2003, 15:02 »
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And there is one more thing

Islam doesn't forbid us from kind of fods becaus

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« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 25 February 2003, 15:28 »
Taking care of you is not in itself bondage, what I refer to as bondage to law is when one is so specific about the performance of duty that the living becomes the performance of laws.

In my life I would see many things that need to be limited for my health, however, even then I might still enjoy chocolate and be heavier than the perfect weight I should have.  In my life I may not drink alcohol, however, if I am an adult and drink MILK then it is probably not good for me simply because it is all fat.  That is what milk is and since adults need smaller amount s of calcium than children, milk is a luxury not a necessity for adults.  Lean meat with absolutely no fat is probably healthier for me than the alternative, however, it sometimes is the grease and fat that provides flavor for the meat even if we do not know it.

I think that bondage can take many roles, and hide in many different areas of our lives.  If I am so afraid to do anything for fear I am going to sin by doing something, I might turn into the fool that Solomon talked about who was afraid to go out into the world and do business because the lion or bear might attack him.  He does not leave his house so he never does business and starves; this is the danger to obeying laws just for the sake of obeying laws.

I personally do not believe that the food laws that are practiced by the Jews or the Muslims have much bearing on modern life in my country.  While there are some valid concerns in the second and third world countries and in some areas of Europe since they do not have the same health laws as us, it is less of a concern in the US.  We use pork products in many ways and if one chooses to eliminate pork from his diet it is possible but there are limits.  If one were to demand beef that was slaughtered a specific way in the US then one would need to seek Kosher beef which will raise the price and lower the availability.

Now in my religion, we choose to fast in a specific way throughout the year.  The devoted Orthodox Christian, no matter where he lives, will try to fast from meat and dairy products on Wednesday and Friday each week.  For those days we eat only products grown from the earth and we do so to remember the day our Lord was betrayed by Judas and the day of the crucifixion.  We also fast a period in the spring to mourn and remember the separation from God caused by our sin and the need for Jesus’ sacrifice.  This longer fast is much more difficult and many choose to observe it.  We fast from meat and dairy products for the entire time, about 40 days, and eat only products grown from the earth as well.  This may be too restrictive for some and there is no compulsion even inside the religion for such obedience.  We have several fast periods throughout the year that are shorter than that where we practice the same thing.  So with all the fasting that we practice, it is really quite interesting that we have still got to work so hard to control our weight.  Exercise and healthy eating as well as other needs continue to be important to us as well.

So generally speaking, the bondage I see is when obeying the Laws take priority over the exercise of love and life in the world.  I believe that one is intended to fellowship with God and just as Adam did in the Garden, to walk WITH God.


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paul

 



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