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Offline Adelbert

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« on: Wednesday 08 January 2003, 08:22 »
In the fourth chapter of the Koran it says, that a man can have up to four wives. Why is a woman not allowed to have up to four husbands?

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« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 08 January 2003, 08:47 »
Interesting question....  give me a few minutes and I will be happy to answer you


I have an errand to go for.... after that I am yours.

I also have to keep my promise of sending the arabic lessons today.......

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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 January 2003, 12:18 »
Well, when you think about it, what benefit could a woman get out of having more than 1 husband? Think about the reproductive roles men and women play. A woman can bear a child from only 1 man, but a man can have children from more than 1 wife. But this is not the most important issue I would like to bring up for this topic. Polygamy, the practice of men having multiple wives, is extremely restricted in our religion. It is not used for the sensual desires of the male, but as a mercy to women who were widowed in times of war, and could not find a new single mate because of the decimated male population. Then and only then, and if a man could treat each wife EQUALLY could polygamy ever be practiced. Men who are considering this must also keep his current wife's needs and emotions in mind before deciding to take a second wife. I hope I've answered your question  :s1  :cool:

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« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 08 January 2003, 17:24 »
Oh crow !! please .. when talking about religion try to have prooves my dear sister ... :sis1

where are the prooves of what you have said above ?? I mean any verses or Prophet sayings ..!!  

let's wait for Abdullah .. I am sure he would answer Adelbert's question in a scientific way with prooves ..

see you later  :wave2

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« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 08 January 2003, 18:48 »
Big thanks for sister Eve for her input, and I do understand Crow's enthusiasm to answer this question.

Truly Allah says in the Koran in the fourth chapter (good Adelbert!)

سورة النساء - سورة 4 - آية 3
 فانكحوا ما طاب لكم من النساء مثنى وثلاث ورباع فإن خفتم ألا تعدلوا فواحدة

marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only)


As you can see, the Koran is very clear about this issue. A Muslim man has the right to marry one, two, three, or four wives, in the conditions mentioned here above in the verse, that is, to be FAIR

Sister Crow
The verse does not say that only in a state of war and when men are very few, only then men can marry up to 4 wives. That is what I understand from your statement above and that is not true.

If one contemplates this question he would find clear the many reasons that would make it feasible for a man to have more than one wife, but not the other way round….

Read with me what the famous journalist Nicole Gaouette of the Christian Science Monitor wrote:

from the December 19, 2001 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/1219/p12s2-wogi.html
Muhammad's instructions liberated women of the day

By Nicole Gaouette | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor



JEDDAH, SAUDI ARABIA - Outsiders may see Islam as unkind to women, but its prophet seemed to respect them. Women shaped Muhammad's life and the instructions he brought from God were a boon to women of the day.


The Arabian Peninsula in the 7th century was not an easy place for women when Islam took root there. They were seen as chattel and traded as war booty.

The Koran gave them rights to education, satisfaction in marriage, divorce, property ownership, and an inheritance. English women would wait another 1,100 years before gaining similar property rights.[/color]


After a large battle widowed many women, the prophet had a revelation allowing a man to take as many as four wives, if he could treat them equally. A later revelation released Muhammad from the four-wife limit and his wives led active lives. Some worked, others dispensed religious advice, and a few went into battle as nurses and water carriers. But spiteful talk about them plagued the prophet's community.


God soon told Muhammad to shroud his wives, instructing followers who thronged the prophet's house to "speak to them from behind a curtain." In Muhammad's lifetime, this rule applied only to his wives, to protect their position and the new faith. But over time the custom came to apply to all women and spread along with Islam, often because it coincided with veiling practices in places like Persia.


"Many of the sayings about women were about respecting the private life of the prophet from floods of visitors," says Abubaker Bagader, a sociology professor at Jeddah's King Abdul Aziz University. "Later, they were transformed into something else. It's clear that in the prophet's day, women led very public lives."


Even so, the Koran states that "men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other." Muslims believe that these words, as all in the Koran, come directly from God and are beyond debate. But interpretations differ widely. Conservatives and many women see this verse through different prisms.


"Basically, it means that since men are stronger than women they have to protect and support them," explains Abeer Mishkhas, a Jeddah-based journalist. "This is not always understood by men."


If the Koran is beyond debate, the hadith, anecdotal sayings about the prophet, are not. Muslims scrutinize these accounts so they can emulate the prophet, but historically there has been disagreement over their validity and interpretation.


These debates produced different theories about which behaviors are forbidden, necessary, commendable, or discouraged. With 1.2 billion Muslims worldwide today, these variations - and cultural differences - make for great diversity in the way Islam is lived.


It helps explain why countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and the Taliban's Afghanistan can all claim the imprimatur of holy law and yet treat their women differently. Iranian women can drive, work in a mixed office, and attend mixed university lectures. Saudi women cannot. Iranian women play active social roles as civil servants, teachers, doctors, and engineers - a profession closed to Saudi women.


The Taliban discouraged women from leaving the house. But more than 3 million Afghanis have sought refuge in Iran in the last few decades, giving Iranian women a close look at another way of life under Islam. "If they're with their man, they will not speak," says a Tehran-based journalist of Afghani women. "It makes Iranian women feel like they're on Planet Liberated."

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Adelbert, any more questions???

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« Reply #5 on: Friday 10 January 2003, 11:59 »
Maybe so, but polygamy is still a restricted practice, and mainly (as I have heard) serves to give orphans and widows a second chance at a home. I have heard this over and over again, and it makes sense. Women are naturally jealous when it comes to such matters (generally), and it is natural to feel more attatched to one person than to more than 1 sexually. Therefore, I think it is a very restricted practice, and should be to serve justice to women.

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 10 January 2003, 15:24 »
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Maybe so, but polygamy is still a restricted practice, and mainly (as I have heard) serves to give orphans and widows a second chance at a home. I have heard this over and over again, and it makes sense. Women are naturally jealous when it comes to such matters (generally), and it is natural to feel more attatched to one person than to more than 1 sexually. Therefore, I think it is a very restricted practice, and should be to serve justice to women.


Crow there is a big difference between what has become "common practice" and The Law of Islam.

The Law of Islam does not say that the second wife HAS TO BE a widow or a divorced woman...

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 10 January 2003, 15:36 »
Alright, what I'm trying to say here is that a second wife cannot be taken in jest. It should be for a good reason, say his first wife ends up infertile, thus he cannot have children with her. But to take a second wife for his own personal pleasure, without considering his first wife's feelings and needs, dosent seem right, and I really dont see how it could have a place in our just religion.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 10 January 2003, 17:57 »
Crow, to have more then a wife is sthg lawful in our religion, even if the first wife was able to have kids, even if the man loved his first wife, even if he could live without the second wife.

When a man marries for the second time, this does not necesserly hurts the first one, in case she was a smart one;-), because a smart woman would prefer that her husband marries the other one instead of doing what he wants in an unlawful way by commiting adultery for example :no2 .

The pious muslim man is intelligent and knows how to protect the feeling of his wife, all what she needs to understnad is that he's doing sthg that is lawful and this does not mean that he dosen'l love her anymore. :hearts2

Say,if u had more then one child, usually these days the first child would be mad and jelous when the second one come, does this mean that u shouldn't have the second one :stumped ??Of course not, this means that the problem is with ur first child and u need to let him know that u love him and he's not gonna be left because of his new brother/sister. But definetly the prolem is not with having more then one child. :thumbsup

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« Reply #9 on: Friday 10 January 2003, 18:20 »
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It should be for a good reason


Crow, there is a wisdom and lots of good reasons for taking more then one wife.

Men are less then women, this is a known things.
Plus, lots of men get killed in wars and what is like, women usually dont go threw this.
Who's gonna marry the extra women??? :woops
In the us, there are 8 million women more then men!!! :stumped
Women are 20 times more the men in Busna, they are 5 or 6 times more then men in Lebanon......
When a man marries one woman, this will cause that many women will stay unmarried, and this could lead to unlawful things such as fornication to fulfill their desires. :no2

Plus, there is a time when the woman can not fulfill the needs of her husband, and instead of making an unlawful thing by commiting adultery, or even to look with desire to to marriageable women, instead of making these sins, to have another wife seems the right thing to do, after al, it's lawful. (Y)

 



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