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Offline Jawaaher

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I have a question plz
« on: Thursday 13 December 2001, 15:20 »
Assalamu alaykum

I read the articles about Wahabies and found that these people serriously need to know the true way. May allahh guide them.

I have a question about visiting the grave of the prophet, sallahu 3alayhi wa sallam.

I hear its not allowed for us to visit it. Im may be going to Haj this year and want to know what to do about this matter and if there is anything special a person does when he reaches the grave, if its allowed.????????

Thanks thats all. Hope someone can answer me soon.
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Good question Jawaaher
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 December 2001, 16:00 »
Wa alaykum assalam sister Jawaher.

I'm happy to see u here in our beautiful forum of Knowledge. Yes the wahaibya do need serious teaching.


May Allah keep us steadfast on the right path. Thanks for asking that question about the persmissibility of visiting the prophet at his grave and how it is done. And i will insha' allah endeavour to answer it for you.

It is imperative to know that visiting prophet Muhammad at his grave is a preferred deed, meaning a Sunnah. This classification has been concluded and confirmed by the Islamic consensus.

Jawaaher, know for sure that,
Unanimously, the Islamic consensus, which include the four most predominant schools of thought who are; Ash-shafiiy, Al-Hanbaliy, Al-Malikiy and Al-Hanafiy, all agree upon the permissibility of making an intentional journey to visit the prophet at his grave.

Not only that Jawaaher, but it is an act of honor and rewards the Muslim greatly, whether you are a local local resident attending the honorable grave from Al-Madina, or making a special  journey from the far corners of the world.  


Yes, the rumours that you have heard, i have heard too. Allegations have been made that an intentional journey to the honorable grave is Islamically prohibited.  But please know for sure that this allegation is a contradiction to Islam. The alleger should be shunned from society if he refuses to cease this allegation and repent. Jawaaher, not only is he contradicting the teachings of the religion, but also in this way the allegor is attempting to deprive the Muslims of a very special and great blessing.  

Visiting prophet Muhammad at his honorable grave is not a new trend, not at all. It is a deed practiced by Muslims since the prophets' death over a thousand years ago, and this is how its done.

Customarily, when you enter the Mosque in Al-Madina, to visit the grave within, you first  pray rak^atayn, which is the sum of two rik^at, in salutation to the holly Mosque. You then make your way to the grave of prophet Muhammad in the mosque with an utterly respectful  and solemness manner.


You comply with the traditional Islamic manner of conduct, to deliver your greetings of peace to the prophet.  Whilst standing four cubits before the honorable grave, looking submissively to the ground facing the grave, you should say in a moderate voice -

"Asalamu-^alaika  ya Rasulal-Lah,  Asalamu-^alaika ya Nabiyul-Lah, Asalmu- ^alaika  ya Habibul-Lah, Asalamu ^alaika ya sayid almursaliin wa  Khatam an-Nabiyyin,  Asalamu-^alaika ya Kheiril-Khalqi ajma^iin, Asalmu- ^alaika  wu  ^ala Aalika wu ahli-baytika wu azwajika-tahiriin, Asalamu ^alaika wu ^ala sa'ir an-nabiyiina wul-mursaliin.

And if u would prefer to understand this in english, i will explain it.
In English these words simply mean: Peace be upon you, oh messenger of Allah. Peace be upon you oh prophet of Allah, peace be upon you, the most beloved by Allah, peace be upon you, the master of all messengers

and the last of the prophets of Allah,  peace be upon you, the best of the creations of Allah, peace be upon you and upon your followers, upon your kin and your dignified wives, peace be upon you and upon all the prophets and messengers of Allah. The Muslim, in the same humble manner, addresses a greeting of peace to the two companions who are buried to the right of the prophet. The companion Abu Bakr lays beside but his head is at shoulder level to the   prophet. The companion ^Umar lays to the right of Abu Bakr with his head yet at shoulder level to the companion Abu Bakr.

To address the companions with a greeting of peace, you then take one step to the right and say Asalamu-alaika to the companion Abu-bakr, may Allah be pleased with him. Then you take a further step to the right and say Asalmu-alaika to the companion ^Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, then you return to your first position asking for Allah's mercy

This manner of conduct is considered the complete and formal manner in which the Muslim fulfills the sunnah of visiting the prophet at his grave. It is not advisable to just stand in front of the honorable grave without presenting a Salam.

However if you didn’t elaborate in the formal manner and said only Asalamu-^alaika ya Rasulal-Lah, in front of the grave, this would be enough to satisfy the deed. After this you supplicate to Allah  by the blessings of prophet Muhammad and plead for the intercession of the prophet, to be granted your wishes. This is called making tawasul. After this you then face the Ka^ba and  supplicate to Allah for yourself and/or anyone else you want.

  Jawaaher, if you are lucky enough to visit the honorable grave, you are also allowed to carry a verbal  Salam to the prophet on behalf of another Muslim. In this case  what you do is, you relay this Salam to the prophet at his grave by saying, Peace be upon you, oh messenger of Allah, from so and so --  or the like in Arabic.

This is how its done dear Jawaaher. I hope i have aswered your question fully. I hope you do get a chance to visit the prophet at his grave this year and when you are there, Please please dont forget to make du3a2 for us, asking Allah to end our life as Muslims and grant us from His generosity and mery all that which is good.

Barak Allahu feeki my dear Jawaaher and please come back again. We encourae your questions.
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 December 2001, 20:58 »
wa 3alaykoum assalam Jawaheer ,
know may Allah guide us and you that it is permissable to visit the grave of the best of all creation, our Master Mouhammad sallallaho3alayhi wa sallam.
Visiting the grave of the Prophet, sallallahu ^alayhi wa sallam, was performed by the Companions and the Salaf and Khalaf who came after them. Many hadiths cite the benefit of this deed and the scholars of Islam have written books about this matteru^alayhi wa sallam.
among these hadiths is the hadeeth related by ad -daraqutni that the prophet said: what means: " on the day of judgement, i will interceede for the one who visits my grave with the good intention."
so plz do not forget me in your dou3a2 when you go to Madina to visit the Prophet sallallahou^alayhi wa sallam:)
barakallahou fika wa a7sanallahou ilayka wa razakaka Allah al hajj wal ziyarah.
assalamou^alaykoum and welcome among us :)

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Thanks but i still need to ask, sorry
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 December 2001, 22:50 »
Assalamu alaykum to sister Fatima and brother As-Sunni.

Really, thanks to the 2 of u for answering me. Both answers were what i needed, but when i was at my cousins place the other day i mentioned something about wanting to go to Haj this year and said that if i cant make, i want to go do ^Umra and visit the grave. I have wanted to visit the grave of the prophet soo badly after hearing what many people say about it. what happened was that some visitors who were at my cousins home mentioned a hadith which goes something like this,
If you want to travel to a mosque, you should travel only to these three; the mosque of al-Aqsa, the holy mosque and my mosque (the mosque of Al-Madina).

They were trying to convince me not to go to visit the grave bcz this hadith says its not allowed. Please explain this to me??

Wallah i am soo much anxious to go to the grave of our prophet.

Thanks

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wa 3alaykoum assalam
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 December 2001, 23:39 »
after what we both mentioned about this subject from the sayings of the prophet and the 3ulama2 , it is clear now that it is permissible that is lawful to visit the grave of the prophet sallallahou3alayhi wa sallam so what pple say to distract you is not praised.
after all the hadiths of the prophet do not contradict one another.
barakallahou fiki

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Plz ask away, dont hold back
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 December 2001, 23:40 »
Thankyou sister Jawaaher for taking the time to ask us agian. It shows how much you care about your knowledge. I hope every Muslim is active in seeking the right knowledge like you. :cool:


Also lots of thanks and barak allahu feek brother As-Sunni for your proof bound reply. Yes be sure Jawaaher that in this forum what ever we say about religion is backed by proof from the Quran, hadith and consensus.

To answer your question about the meaning of the hadith, let me first say that what you heard is wrong. so plz keep an open mind as i try to discuss this issue with you in detail and prove to you that visiting the prophet at his grave is a deed done by the salaf.

Firstly the hadith is better written like this in english:  Your eagerness to travel to a mosque should be aimed only at these three; the mosque of al-Aqsa, the holy mosque (of Makka) and my mosque (the mosque of Al-Madina).

Dear Jawaaher to get straight to the point, the wahabies are the sect who these days render visiting the prophet at the grave as haram. They are extremists and follow the teachings of Ibn Taymiah in may of his deviations, not just in this one.

 
Being the fundamental extremists that they are, these groups refuse to acknowledge that this hadith is referring merely to the most rewarding of mosques and does not imply that intending a journey to any other holly place is a sin. Its important to mention that this hadith is advising the Muslim to favor these mosques over other mosques, because Allah the Exalted has given them a special status.

Let me tell you why these mosques are favoured and how we know this.

Through the teachings of prophet Muhammad we know that, the reward of one prayer performed in the mosque of Al-Aqsa  is multiplied by 500 times over his prayer in any other mosque. The same prayer performed in the mosque of prophet Muhammad -in Madinah-is multiplied by 1000 times over the 500, and the one prayer performed at the Holly mosque of Makkah is  multiplied by a further 100 000 times over the previous total.

So Jawaaher, the aim of the prophets saying (which i stated to you by meaning), is merely to point out that if you are ambitious to travel to a mosque for the purpose of gaining the best rewards, these three special mosques are those to which you should travel.   None of the companions or the scholars of the salaf understood from this hadith that it is haram to visit the grave of our prophet (which of course is in the mosque in Madina).

  Another thing Jawaaher, and i'm sure that A-Sunni will agree with me on this too; the correct understanding of the hadith is also derived from another hadith of the prophet which is related by the scholar Imam Ahmad, through a route leading to one of the companions. In this hadith the prophet
says to the meaning of:
 
It is not desirable for a worshipper who is seeking to perform a prayer in a most rewarding mosque to travel to other than the Holly mosque of Makkah, the Mosque of Al-Aqsa and my mosque--meaning the mosque of Al-Madina.

So Jawaaher you can clearly see that this hadith defines the meaning and intention of the hadith you are asking about.                

Jawaaher let me also say this important point. The knowledge of Islam is profoundly consistent throughout  the  Islamic scriptures. Never shall a flaw or a contradiction between Quranic verses and/or true sayings of the prophet be found. The principal used by true Islamic scholars in deriving the correct interpretation from the Islamic scripture is to look upon a script as part of a whole.

This simply means that to interpret a saying of the prophet we must not look at it with isolation, instead we must look at it with consideration to the other sayings on the same topic. This also tells you that all the verses of the Qr'an and sayings of the prophet support one another. Jawaaher be sure that this is the Islamic principal conducted by the noble and trustworthy Islamic scholars  Dont listen to people like the wahabies who come up with their own meanings by looking at the verses and sayings seperatley. This is very dangerous and neither the companions, the salaf nor the scholars of the Khalaf interpreted the Islamic references in that way.

.  And remeber it is to such men of piety and loyalty that we entrust to attain our knowledge of Islam from and not from the fundamental extremists like Ibin Taymia.

Let me just tell you one last incredible detail and true Islamic proof that you can throw as evidence in the face any one who says that visiting the prophet at his grave is haram.......You'll like this one ;)

Prophet Issa himself will visit prophet Muhammad at his grave when he descendt to earth again....How's that????

In fact it was related by Al-Hakim in his book named Al-mustadrak, from the saying of the companion Abi-hurayra, that the prophet said to the meaning of:

"^Issa the son of Mariam will descend to earth. He will be a just ruler. He will make his way to perform either Al-haj or Al-^Umra and attend my grave to greet me with peace, to which I shall reply".
SO Jawaaher next time you come across such misguiders that are fast to try to mislead you, tell them that you want to do what prophet Issa will do when he comes down to earth. What answer will they have to that?? Will they dare to say Prophet Issa, one of the 5 Ullil^azm (the best of the prophets) will commit a sin to do that????? Subhan Allah.

May Allah guide such people to the truth and keep you and us steadfast in learning the thruth knowledge. Ameen

Pleas keep asking. Im sure our brohter As-sunni is as glad as i am to answer you.
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Barakallahou feekum
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 December 2001, 20:10 »
I don't have a question right now, but I really want to thank you brother as-sunni, and sister Fatima, you are great, barakallahou feekum, wa ja^alakom minassaliheen.

sister Fatime, thank you for these details :) I knew the answer for our dear and welcomed sister Jawaaher, but I really really learned a lot from your replies :) May God bless you

Please take care of yourself
Kawaakillaah sis.

best wishes

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I have a question plz
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 20 December 2001, 19:20 »
Masha'llah.

Great post.

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Salam's to all
« Reply #8 on: Friday 21 December 2001, 19:35 »
I'm actually glad that can ask what i want to in this formum and not feel shy or shame for not knowing somethings.

You've made me feel very welcomed. Thankyou.

I need to know somethings about Ibn Taymiah since when i mentioned what i learnt in here to the people i know, they talked about Ibn Taymiah in a different way than what i read here. I not trying to make trouble please understand. I only wnat to learn more.

Thanks for your understanding.

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Welcome Jawaaher
« Reply #9 on: Friday 21 December 2001, 20:04 »
Assalamu alaykum ya Jawaaher and all ohter brothers and sisters responding to Jawaaher's questions.

My darling sister your questions are welcome any time bcz that is what we r here to do. We will answer you untill u say stop i've had enough or i understand fully.

I will insha' allah tell something about Ibn Taymiah and invite our brothers to add to this as well. Knowing the enemy is a way to beat them.

Jawaaher, Ibn Taymia was born in the seventh century after the migration of prophet Muhammad. He was born into a humble family of Islamic scholars. Ibn Taimiya was renowned for his academic incentives, which lead to his misinterpretation of the true Islamic knowledge.

He later served his arrogance by neglecting to learn the proper Islamic judgments passed by Islamic scholarly consensus. By avoiding the truth he came up with his own conclusions on judgements,  that in effect contradicted the sound teachings of Islam. He passed wrong judgements in approximately 60 fundamental matters of Islam.  

Jawaaher you should know that the worst of the wrong things that he said  was in resembling  Allah to his creations.

He was urged to repent from his egotistical views, and  was repeatedly imprisoned by the Muslim Khalifa of that time. Eventually, he died in prison.

Jawaaher don't believe what people tell you about him being 'sheikh Al-Islam". He is far from that because ever since his death, his publications which contradict the Islamic teachings and views have been rejected and rendered void by trustworthy Islamic scholars.

Among the innovations he published, in contradiction with the Islamic consensus, was his rejection to the permissibility to make an intentional journey to visit the prophet at his grave.

And to help get his wrong message across Ibn Taymiya used the hadith you asked about above, to support  his absurd claim. Actually he was the first to use that hadithin the wrong and misleading way.  Quite clearly he has manipulated the meaning of the hadith merely to suit his innovation.

The scholars of today are not the only ones to say how wrong Ibn Taymiah was. Jawaaher, the well-known scholar,  Al-Hafith Ibn Hajar, also refers to this innovation as one of the most abhorrent contradictions made by Ibn Taymiya.

Jawaaher i hope i have given teh information you want. Please brother As-Sunni or Devotion, if you have more input dont keep it from us.

Barak allahu feekom

 



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