Topic: About slaughtering animals durring Hajj

[Crow]

I was told by one of the sheiks at the Portland Mosque that everyone has to slaughter a goat, sheep, etc while in Mecca.<that's not true> .I must admit it kind of disturbs me, because I'm very sensitive about animals, and killing living things is something that would upset me greatly if I had to do it myself..would I still have to slaughter an animal when I go to Mecca?:confused: :cwt I mean, I'd probably be too emotional and nervous to be able to slit the throat cleanly, so as not to cause the animal too much suffering

[Servant of Islam]

Dear brother , it's not an obligation upon every one who comes to Mecca to make pilgrimage to slaughter .However , in some conditions for some people , they have to slaughter, but it's not an obligation upon every one.
And let me remind u that the prophet peace be upon him slaughtered , and he is merciful more than we are.

[Crow]

Accually, I'm a sister :s1  and thank you for clarifying this for me. :s1

rose19

[Servant of Islam]

u r welcome sister

[Sami Yusuf Islam]

Sister Crow,

The truth is that you can appoint somebody else to slaughter for you. Who said that you have to kill the animal yourself ??


MOST of those who go to the pilgrimmage are UNABLE to kill themselves, but they appoint somebody else to do it for them !!!

[anti_faith]

:what??  :no2

This is not very pious or good in any way to kill anything innocent.

 :stumped

[Ali]

:what??  :no2

This is not very pious or good in any way to kill anything innocent.

 :stumped

Allah created everything for a reason.

What maybe your pet is someone elses food.

Heard of the food chain?

[anti_faith]

:stumped


 :no2

Hello Mr Ali,

As you may or may not have noticed i am non-religious.
Someones pet is not someone, or any elses food as a matter of fact.

Human beings do not constitute the ordinary food chain cycle in their majority current state. And the human being has the upper hand, benefits, and choice of what he does in the world (having the ability of larger intelligence). He doesnt need to slaughter innocent animals, and no animals should be slaughtered. Even If they are needed to be eaten, they should be killed in a painless way, using gas or injection prehaps.

Yes i have heard of the food chain. Slaughtering animals in deranged rituals for ones beliefs, does not constitute the ordinary food chain cycle. It is inhumane and in-correct,  and more of a ancient ritual tradition and way of life passed down that has nothing todo with modern life, and no room to exsist in todays modern world.

Indeed, it will be abolished and bannished by all mankind no matter who thinks it is righteous.

All such laws of tradition regarding animal slaughter will come to a halt.
Cruelty to animals is inhumane and wrong, no matter what the outcome (unless for benefits),  and rituals originally based on 'sacrifices' for belief are included in this wrong-doing.

There is other way to get food, even if one wishes to keep tradition, there are more humane ways to kill animals then by the knife, and forms of cruel butchery.
Those ways of life, of 'killing-for-a-living' are over. We live in a modern world now, and such things will be garunteed abolished now & in all the future.

 :yippee  :apl1

[Ali]

There is other way to get food, even if one wishes to keep tradition, there are more humane ways to kill animals then by the knife, and forms of cruel butchery.

Like what?

Even non-religious people (Atheists) eat meat.

Don't blame religion :no2

[anti_faith]

:apl1

 :bg  Very nice Mr Ali.

 :no2 !!!

"Like what? Even non-religious people (Atheists) eat meat. Don't blame religion"

There is a saying Mr Ali, it is called "He shall suffer for the sins of others".
It means people, and all things, must be held responsible for their actions by LAW.
There are some people and things that say, "It is within my cult/religion that permitted me to perform this act..."
Or something like "It was a rumour so i performed the act" Or "My master told me todo it, they forced me to,... so it is not my fault that i commited the crime".

So what "He shall suffer for the sins of others" means, is ... no matter WHO commited the crime, for whatever reasons of beliefs, for whatever hearsay rumors , or whatever orders,... they will be held responsible,  as well as the people who gave the orders or made the rumour etc.
 
When you are comitting a crime, and the boss orders to kill someone, ... when they are taken to court to be punished, will the judge dissmiss the boss who gave the orders of the servant to pull the trigger?

No, the person who gives the orders, or the thing that made the orders, and the person responsible should be TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

If a policy or religion is responsible for something or someones actions, those religions must and will be taken into account.
Just like any group whether its religion or sports, if it is creating unlawful violence, the regulations and things responsible should be looked into and dealt with by law.

However, i do not blame religion in this instance.
Yes, non-religious eats meat, everyone eats meat.
If you read my post properly, you would see i gave some rational examples... like "Painless injection/Gassing"

And these type of painless humane things that involve no pain or butchery should be taken into account for all things, they should also be the way normal animals are killed for supermarket foods.

We should support humane killing for food in all areas, for religious ritual or for food in your supermarket. The animals are not born to be our food, we choose to breed them and take their life, so they should be given at least the respect of a totally painless instant death.

Everyone across the planet, religious or not, leaders or public, will agree with this i assure you, and it is the way of the future. This is not the medieval times, we do not capture food with bow and arrow,... we do not hang people in public (at least in the modern civilized world!) and we do not kill life so simply without mercy or consideration.

This rule should, and will (no matter how long or what stands in the way) apply to everything now, and in the future.

Peace and humane treatment and respect for all life is the only way to further mankind's success, i garuntee this is the way forward.

 :wink2   :yippee  Cya   :wave2

p.s. hope you understand/ sorry i typed abit to much