Topic: Just a Question on Adultery

[The Full Moon]

Hello again

Before answering your new post I have to send you back to the quotation in the current bible two parts which I mentioned in my past post. Let me remind you:


Are you telling me that Jesus did not tell in the bible about killing?

I found the following in the old testement:


"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all Ăll old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)


It that no order of killing and all this is loving?!

[FutureAndAHope]

Hi Full Moon,

Jesus made it very clear to his followers they were to love. This is what one of them said, and we believe their writtings as being inspired by God.

Rom 12:18-21  If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.  On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will cause him to change his mind."  Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

So a christian is not to take revenge on people. And like I said if they were persicuted they were commanded to flee not fight. But you mentioned some times God does  allow people to be killed, but he knows when that is needed, but it should not be a desired lifestyle for a christian. For a christian it falls under the above verse "We are not to take revenge", note it says "If possible as much as depends upon you live at peace with all men", the emphisis for a christian is love, which causes us to not want to harm people, and we should have more hope in God's life changing power than physical weapons of war. But there are times when a nation may rise up against ours, and in that circumstance we would be justified in protecting our families from harm, but not in conquest to take new lands in the name of our religion. There would be instances where oppression was so bad that a war was needed to remove a tyrant, you can't just sit back an allow people to harm others, but even then it should not be the first option on our mind. In our religion we would not invade another country or people group just becasue they held a different belief, or it should never occur if they followed the commands of Jesus.

The question I have for you is what problem do you have with loving? Why is it so important to convince me that killing is of God. Jesus never once asked his disciples to kill any one, he stressed time and time again to love their enemies, God only ever sent his people to war with nations who had abandoned an attitude of compassion, as I said there are some tyrants, but he said false prophets would arise after him and decieve many but he said don't believe them. He said he was the Christ, the final messiah.

if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it...For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. "So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; ... do not believe it. - Mat 24:23-26 

[The Full Moon]

FutureAndHope


A reminder: Your book is not 100% authentic by your own admission. So stop putting quotation since you do not know what is authentic and what is not.

I brought quotation from your own book, where God gave orders to kill children... women... etc. I will not accept that if God gave the order to kill that Jesus will disobey God. He was following God orders because he is a believer first.. and that means he obeyed his lords orders.

Allah orders include everything: love, dislikes, hate, kill, forgive, and all other feelings and reactions people normally feel or react to in all circumstances.

I would like to bring to your attention this information: Prophet Muhammad did not start a war, every time it was a reaction to others who killed Muslims for no reason except that they are Muslims. Then he would send them letters asking them to become Muslims and when they refuse and insist on fighting the Muslims he would send an army.

Every time he won the war he gave the people the choice if they wish to become Muslims they are equal to any other Muslims and if they do not to do so they can pay tax (Jezeyah) to the Muslim treasury. (which we do now in the Christian societies).

We love each other.. we help every person in need and we live in peace until we are attacked. Same like Christian.
Our heart is not different... our emotions are not different.. and Jesus and Mohammad were not different , they both were obeying Allah's orders. (the One, the Only and the same God).