Topic: Just a Question on Adultery

[FutureAndAHope]

Jesus said,   "but I say unto you, that every one that lookes on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. - Mat 5:28

He was saying if a person sees another mans wife, and wants to have sex with her that he has actually comitted adultery.

I have since being on this web site done some research, and I have noted that Mahummad, took many mens wives, for his own men and some for himself. How can he then be a prophet of God. According to Jesus opinion he is an adulterer. Should he not by his own standards be stoned?

[The Full Moon]

FutureAndHope
 
I will not excuse your ignorance to smear the reputaion and the name of out Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
I dare you to tell me where it is mentioned on this site that Prophet Muhammad has taken the wives of his companions for himself. I know this is a lie and I can prove that. And if you do not reply to this post, you will prove to all who can read it that it was a lie

Ignorance is not a blessing it is a curse.

[FutureAndAHope]

HI Full Moon,

Here is some examples:


The Companions of the Mahummad
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The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain.  They met their enemy and fought with them.  They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers.  So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." (Abu Dawud 2150, also Muslim 3433)

So it is clear from that verse that the followers of Muhummad had sex with Married women. They also said that Allah agreed with what they did, because Mahummad had said it was ok in Sura 4:24.

Mahummad Himself
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Ibn Ishaq writes: "The apostle occupied the Jewish forts one after the other, taking prisoners as he went.  Among these were Safiya, the wife of Kinana, the Khaibar chief, and two female cousins: [sisters of Kinana] the apostle chose Safiya for himself.  The other prisoners were distributed among the Muslims.  Bilal brought Safiya to the apostle, and they passed the bodies of several Jews on the way.  Safiya's female companions lamented and strewed dust on their heads.  When the apostle of Allâh observed this scene, he said, 'Remove these she devils from me.'  But he ordered Safiya to remain, and threw his reda [cloak] over her.  So the Muslims knew he had reserved her for his own.  The apostle reprimanded Bilal, saying, 'Hast thou lost all feelings of mercy, to make women pass by the corpses of their husbands?'”

Safiyah was taken to Muhammad’s tent. Muhammad wanted to have sex with her on that very night, only hours after torturing to death her husband. She resisted his advances. That night Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of Muhammad. When, in the early dawn,  Muhammad saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, I was really afraid for you on her account". (Ibn Ishaq, p. 766) The next day Muhammad covered Safiyah with his mantle, an act signifying that she is now his. Safiyah was groomed and made-up for Muhammad by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik and was taken to Muhammad who married her in a mock marriage ceremony and raped her that night.

Do you still think that that is Godly behaviour? How could people be so decieved.

[FutureAndAHope]

Hi Full Moon,

Just one more thing to clear up I did not say I found info on your site saying Mahummad raped people. I meant I had done some research into Islamic Sources (on other websites) and found that these things had occured.

[The Full Moon]

Hi FutureAndHope

I was hoping that you are not one of those who read and believe everything they read because then I can bring you bad things they say about every prophet Allah sent... are you going to believe them all too.

I will start with the translation of the phrase you mentioned form the Quran 4:24 and you will read it completed this time:

And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you (kitāba is in the accusative because it is the verbal noun). Lawful for you (read passive wa-uhilla, or active wa-ahalla), beyond all that, that is, except what He has forbidden you of women, is that you seek, women, using your wealth, by way of a dowry or a price, in wedlock and not, fornicating, in illicitly. Such wives as you enjoy thereby, and have had sexual intercourse with, give them their wages, the dowries that you have assigned them, as an obligation; you are not at fault in agreeing together, you and they, after the obligation, is waived, decreased or increased. God is ever Knowing, of His creatures, Wise, in what He has ordained for them.

So, in your post you mentioned they were reluctant because they did not receive a revelation and orders from God of what is permitted and what is not. Because these in captivities are divided between the army and in term they become their responsibilities to feed and shelter and so on and so forth... so Muslims they wanted to know what are God's orders for them to follow.

B you come to the conclusion that they did have sex!. where in the story it is mentioned that they did have sex with married women in captivity? and that they did not follow Allah's orders.
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Now, thank God I was not worried ; not even for a moment that what you think you know about our Prophet Muhammad is not true.

Back to the story of Lady Safieah (wife of Prophet Muhammad) peace be upon him: (the mother figure of all Muslim nation)

Her husband was killed in the battle against Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. And she was among the ladies who were taken as slaves.  Then a companion of  Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him mentioned her to him that she comes form a well known family and this is an honor to offer her to be married to Prophet Muhammad. He talked to her and gave  her the choice if she like to become Muslim he can marry her and if she wants to stay Jewish he may pay for her freedom and send her back to her family so she became a Muslim and accepted to Marry him.

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him followed the rules of Allah, first he freed her by paying money to the treasury for her freedom.
Then Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him invited people for food prepared to announce his marriage. His companion asked him " your slave or wife" and he answered wife.

On their wedding night she showed unwillingness so he left her alone ..., and when he reached into his city she agreed to be his wife and when he asked her about the previous behavior she said she was reluctant because she feared that some of her Jewish relatives may try to hurt him.

She was very loving and loyal wife and a great Muslim and for Muslims . May Allah be pleased with her.

This is the true story of Lady Safieh and it is for sure nothing like the one you mentioned.

Now you know our Prophet Peace be upon him did not commit adultery, Prophet Joseph (Yousef) did not commit that either and neither any Prophets of Allah peace be upon them all.

As for the Question you put : How could people be so deceived.

I think that they could be deceived if they chose to believe such stories you found on the internet spread by lairs, who try to smear the Prophets names.

[FutureAndAHope]

Hi Full Moon,

I found that the verse I mentioned at first completed says:

The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain.  They met their enemy and fought with them.  They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers.  So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Qur’anic verse: (Sura 4:24) "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period.

So it appears that that verse does say that they are lawful for them. In all honesty what were they thinking about having sex with these women for in the first place. They obviously had a culture of having sex with captives, so much so that they considered having sex with married women. And if my research is correct they also believe it to be lawful. If they saw it as lawful, and they were in the habit of having sex with slaves. Then in my opinion they probably did. But regardless of whether they did or did not it does not excuse them from taking sex slaves.

Lets return to a moment to Jesus words. Mat 5:28  but I say unto you, that every one that looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So Jesus said that even looking at a woman to lust after her is the same as adultery. Let me as you a question. Do you think pornography is wrong? The answer is definitely yes. Why it goes against the principal that Jesus spoke of, it is lusting. Having an uncontrolled sexual appertite. Yet the followers of Muhummad, the first thing thay thought of was having sex with captives, which is worse than pornography it is carrying out the act. It was obviously encouraged by the prophet, otherwise it would not have been on their mind. I know you can not honestly say no follower of Mahummad ever had noconsentual sex with a woman, or took sexual slaves.

Forget all the technicalities of whether or not they did or did not in one verse but we know they did in general. Yet Jesus said that it was wrong. There would be an out rage if our nation invaded the middle east and killed all the men and took the unmarried women as sex slaves, would you say it was a God given right, it is not protecting their women, protecting is what Jesus said to do he said "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you", is killing them doing them good, and loving them, but Mahummad  allowed his men to immediately have sex with women captives, was that a Godly example. It is not.

According to the Christian apostles, God is love. Love does no wrong to his neibour. God loves them. God loves sinners. In regard to sexual passion he says:

1Th 4:3-6  For this is the will of God, ... that each one of you know how to possess himself of his own vessel in sanctification and honor,  not in the passion of lust, even as the Gentiles who know not God;  that no man transgress, and wrong his brother in the matter: because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as also we forewarned you and testified.

You can't honestly say that the followers of Mahmmad did not act lustfully. They were not righteous men seeking to promote godliness through their sexuality. It goes against all that is Godly.

Let me ask you, you said you have had contact with Christians, did they tell you God is love, care, mercy, and forgiveness. You can't just say those words of Your God then do the opposite of mercy, love, and forgiveness. What is loving about cutting off hands, beheading people, taking slaves for sex. The bible says "The devil comes to kill to steal and destroy". Do you know the difference between destruction, and love.

Rom 13:10  Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

[The Full Moon]

FutherAndHope

I warned you about smearing the name or the behavior of the Prophet of God Muhammad peace be upon him  before and kindly consider this your last warning and after I will not even allow you to post anything on this site.

We you with them when they were fighting to figure out that the first thing they thought of was sex with their slaves? Your conclusion is wrong. These are men who went to battle willing to die to protect Islam from its enemies, and you apply that the minute the battle finished they wanted sex.

Those were the Muslims who had one thing on their mind dying for the sake of God and you be little them to describe them as sex addict, this will not tolorated on this forum. And to say that Prophet Muhammad allowed it is not accurate. Prophet Muhammad did not give any commands that was not revealed to him when it came to slaves. That why God send to him the laws regarding women slaves and what is permitted and what is not. And if anyone does not understand that the orders of God is to be obeyed then he has a greater problem to solve.

So back to history, people took captive women and children and men. It is not Muslims only. At the time of Joseph they were slaves, girls and boys and they had sex with them, how did they become slaves you think.

Are you telling me that Jesus did not tell in the bible about killing?

I found the following in the old testement:


"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all Ăll old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' (1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB)

God is merciful, and loves his slaves who obey his orders and he is just and does not approve of any unjust that we do in this life

He created good and bad and explained consequences for both and you are telling me that no one will go to hellfire.. God created it!!

[The Full Moon]

FutureAndHope

I noticed you did not apologize for accusing our Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him of adultery, and knowing that you read the story of his marriage to our Lady safieah.. I think you owe us an apology. and retraction of what you claimed.

Saying sorry when you are wrong takes courage.

[manahel.fatima]

Dear you need to read Islam and need some time to understand, Don't be so blunt to say about some one, specially the messengers, and more specially the last messenger of ALLAH. We Muslims always give respect to every messenger knowing that their believers are on the wrong path, We never burn their books , we never blame on their messenger, You also need to apologize, as you know Apology helps you to think and understand things more clearly.

[FutureAndAHope]

Hello again,

Sure I don't mind learning what you think about things, and your take on the action of your prophet. I will appologise for not reading the passsage in full and just reading some one elses interpretation of the events. When I can get the actual document I will be able to comment more fully.

What I would like to stress however, is you mentioned we must follow what God commands. As far as I am concerned, regarding how we should treat people this is what God's commands. These are the words of Jesus, and one of the apostles.

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.- Luk 6:27-28

 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.- Luk 6:35

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.- Mat 5:43-45

 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.' The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." - Mar 12:30-31

 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. .. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone . .. Do not take revenge, my friends, ... On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink - Rom 12:17

Let me ask you, it is plain to me that your religion does not do these things. You seem to think that killing to promote religion is ok. But according to Jesus it is not. Jesus was explaining to his disciples how to understand God, he said "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy', which you seem to believe, he then goes on to say that is not true you are to love them. Kill and love are words that do not go together, you can't love a dead enemy. It is certainly not treating people the way we would like to be treated. What did Jesus command his disciples regarding cases when people try too kill you for your faith, he did not say raise an army and slay them, he said:

Mat 10:23  When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another.

I am just glad we have countries in the earth today where it is safe to be a believer, and not suffer religious percecution.

Let me ask you a question and I want an answer:

My God says: Love your enemies
My God says: Flee from oppression
My God says: Have one wife only (1 Ti 3:2, Tit 1:6, and others), be sexually controlled.
My God says: He gives us power over our bodies to be master of it, not controlled by lust
My God says:   Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them. - Col 3:19

Your God says: It is ok to kill your enemies, he calls them Pagans, i.e. slay the pagans
You God says: It is ok to have sex with slaves, and women why have had their husbands killed in battle
Your God says: you need to cover up your women becasue men have no sexual control
Your God says: it is ok to hit a woman if she is continually disobedient, your prophet even hit a woman in the chest

Which God should I rather serve, one who gives us power over our bodies, or one that has created men like beasts? Tell me why your prophet and God is superiour to mine. You mentioned there is a hell, who goes to hell, the righteous one who live holy clean lives, and try to love every one, or those who perform acts of violence and aggression, in revelation it says that war-moungers go to hell. Why did Jesus pardon sinners, and love them? Are you going to choose to be a totally loving individual. You might be a nice guy, but you need to follow a God who matches godly character. Is you character good? Then follow a good God.