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Obama’s speech on Afghanistan: A compendium of Lies
« on: Saturday 05 December 2009, 06:16 »
In his December 1 speech at West Point announcing the deployment of 30,000 more US troops to Afghanistan, President Barack Obama attempted to justify a major escalation of a deeply unpopular war on the basis of lies and distortions. That he had to resort to such falsifications reflects both the reactionary character of his policy and the fact that it is being imposed in violation of the popular will.

To justify the escalation, Obama recycled the Bush administration’s myths about the “war on terror.” He cynically presented the US as an altruistic power, forced into a global war for democracy by the terrorist attacks of 9/11.

As he sought to frame US imperialist policy within the template of the “war on terror,” however, his speech descended into utter incoherence.

Obama’s account of the US’ recent wars contradicted his own assertion that Washington was single-mindedly pursuing Al Qaeda. In 2001, he said, the US attacked Afghanistan to destroy Al Qaeda—though most of the September 11 hijackers were, in fact, from Saudi Arabia, the US’ major Arab ally in the Middle East.

The US invasion was legitimate, he argued, because Afghanistan was Al Qaeda’s base of operations and the Taliban regime harbored and protected the terrorist group.

Obama brushed over the failure of the US invasion to dismantle Al Qaeda by saying that “after escaping across the border into Pakistan in 2001 and 2002, Al Qaeda’s leadership established a safe haven there.”

Thus, from 2002 to 2009, the US pursued wars in Iraq and Afghanistan supposedly directed against Al Qaeda, while the latter was based in another country altogether—Pakistan, a long-standing US ally.

Obama even suggested that Al Qaeda enjoys the protection of sections of the Pakistani state, declaring, “[T]here have been those in Pakistan who have argued that the struggle against extremism is not their fight, and that Pakistan is better off doing little, or seeking accommodation with those who use violence.”

This account raises an obvious and unexplained double standard. If the security of the American people required the US to invade Afghanistan and remove an Al Qaeda-friendly regime there, why shouldn’t the same apply to the government of Pakistan?

Instead, Obama hailed Pakistan as an ally in the struggle against “violent extremism” and called for a US-Pakistan partnership based on “mutual trust.”

This only demonstrates the fraudulent character of the official rationale for the war, which Obama and the rest of the US political establishment know to be a tissue of lies.

Then there is the question of the Afghan government in whose defense the US is supposedly waging war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda. While initially praising the regime of President Hamid Karzai as a “legitimate government,” Obama went on to acknowledge that it suffers from “corruption, the drug trade, an underdeveloped economy, and insufficient security forces.”

In a display of utter cynicism, he claimed that Karzai’s recent reelection, universally recognized as the outcome of fraud and ballot-stuffing, had nevertheless produced a legitimate government. “Although it was marred by fraud,” Obama said, “that election produced a government that is consistent with Afghanistan’s laws and Constitution.”

Obama’s attempts to give noble-sounding reasons for deploying 30,000 more US troops were as sinister as they were self-contradictory. In Orwellian style, he told the Afghan people, who have already suffered US occupation for eight years, “We have no interest in occupying your country.”

He contrasted the US’ allegedly benevolent attitude towards Afghanistan with the Soviet invasion of the country in 1979-1989. In fact, the US has manipulated Afghan politics for 30 years.

Beginning in 1979, the US financed and backed Islamic fundamentalist resistance to the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul, with the aim of provoking a Soviet invasion. Thus the US was politically complicit in millions of Afghan deaths during the Soviet occupation and the civil war that followed. The Islamist forces Washington is fighting today in Afghanistan largely descend from groups it supported against the Soviets in the 1980s.

Amid wars that have cost over a million lives and have involved the widespread use of torture at US-run prisons, Obama insisted that US policy will “tend to the light of freedom, and justice, and opportunity, and respect for the dignity of all peoples.”

Obama boasted of having ended torture—an empty and false claim belied by reports of ongoing torture at US prisons in Afghanistan and elsewhere, as well as Obama’s continuation of rendition and his opposition to any investigation of government officials who ordered and oversaw the use of torture.

He reiterated his pledge to close Guantanamo, but was silent on his insistence that US torture prisons in Afghanistan, such as at the Bagram military base, remain open.

The central lie in Obama’s speech, however, was the claim that his escalation plans would allow US troops to return quickly from Afghanistan, starting in 2011.

In fact, as Obama indicated elsewhere in his speech, this escalation is one step in plans for even broader wars. “The struggle against violent extremism will not be finished quickly,” he said, “and it extends well beyond Afghanistan and Pakistan.” Mentioning Somalia and Yemen as potential targets, he added, “our effort will involve disorderly regions and diffuse enemies.”

The inclusion of this passage made clear that Obama was basing his Afghan policy on a report issued last month by Anthony Cordesman of the influential Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).

Cordesman wrote: “The President must be frank about the fact that any form of victory in Afghanistan and Pakistan will be part of a much wider and longer struggle. He must make it clear that the ideological, demographic, governance, economic, and other pressures that divide the Islamic world mean the world will face threats in many other nations that will endure indefinitely into the future. He should mention the risks in Yemen and Somalia, make it clear that the Iraq war is not over, and warn that we will still face both a domestic threat and a combination of insurgency and terrorism that will continue to extend from Morocco to the Philippines, and from Central Asia deep into Africa, regardless of how well we do in Afghanistan and Pakistan.”

He added: “…the present level of US, allied, Afghan and Pakistani casualties will almost certainly double and probably more than triple before something approaching victory is won.”

In short, the US will be fighting immensely costly wars over a considerable portion of the earth’s surface, in regions stretching thousands of miles in every direction.

Reduced to its essentials, the perspective of Obama and his advisors is a future of endless war to maintain the US’ position as the global hegemon. Beyond the questions of controlling oil revenues and trade routes in the Middle East and Central Asia, what is at stake is the US’ position as a world power. Like the British withdrawal from Suez in 1956-1957, a forced US withdrawal from Afghanistan would be a devastating blow to Washington’s prestige.

Obama’s Afghan policy arises from this dynamic of US imperialism: Since retreat at any point threatens catastrophe, he chooses ever-expanding escalation. article by Alex Lantier - http://www.pakistanideology.com

Nawaz

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Re: Obama’s speech on Afghanistan: A compendium of Lies
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 05 December 2009, 18:14 »
Well, if the U.S did not intervene in world war 2, you would be speaking german. If the us did not intervene and stand up against the soviet union, you would probably be speaking russian right now. If the U.s. does not get its act together and counterbalance the rise of China, you may have to learn Chinese. If Israel or another country allows Iran to aquire a nuclear weapon, and they decide to use it on Isreal, could you only imagine what would happen? Iran would become a large dusty parking lot, other countries would be sucked in to the conflagration and world war 3 will kill us all. Now if you believe in the arrival if the hidden Immam, then I could atleast understand what motivates a belief that this would be o.k. But if you are a moderate muslim with a desire to live, you better hope and pray that the United States of America, even with all her sins and misdeeds, remains a world power, atleast then we would have a chance of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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Re: Obama’s speech on Afghanistan: A compendium of Lies
« Reply #2 on: Monday 07 December 2009, 09:52 »
Vonroe, if you keep helping "them" the name of our country shall be "United States of Jewish America", we have already lost our credibility in the eyes of the world by extending "justice" to the  tyrants, we have lost our good name in supporting the only country in the world that was created by "Terrorists",  and even though we have extended full support to their "hegemonic" attitude, we were caught bunch of times spying on us.

We who are never tired to talking about our Justice, freedom of speech and equality have been found guilty of manufacturing "pretenses" to attack tiny, helpless and militarily weak countries who have always been "brown" people and not white.

   

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Re: Obama’s speech on Afghanistan: A compendium of Lies
« Reply #3 on: Monday 07 December 2009, 17:04 »
Wow, that was a loaded response. You and I have totally different world views. I personally am a general humanitarian. Another words I believe in justice for all, no matter what skin color.  I also understand that their are and always have been conflicts between races, all throughout history.

 If you will be honest with me, you will agree that it is basic human nature to side with your own race, by and large. What has been the cause of most wars in history? A differance in culture, race, religion, etc. It is a power struggle between cultures, it always has been, and it always will be. Do you think that mankind will ever aquire peace on this earth? Absolutely not. The world is becoming so complex with problems inside of problems inside of problems. Its to far gone to correct at this point. Human nature will not change.

 O.K. Lets be realistic. America wants to be the world power. China wants to be the world power. Russia wants to be the world power. Muslims want the worlds religion to be Islam under sharia law, as well as Islam to be a world power. Christians want Christianity to be accepted the world over, and then hindus, budhists, etc. So lets say my side wins for a few generations, and then your side for a few generations, and then the other side for a few generations, etc. What does this accomplish? Nothing. As the great preacher Soloman declared...vanity of vanities...all is vanity.

Now you stated that the jews are the worlds terrorists. Come on freind, lets be blatantly honest with ourselves for a moment....WE ARE ALL TERRORISTS!  Jews, Arabs, African, Caucasian, Asian, etc. We have all hurt eachother. Dont be a hypocryte. We are all to blame...it is our human nature.

 So, having said all that, you and I actually agree on one thing...that their is a God, he requires us to obey him, and he will intervene in these last days to establish justice. Here is where we disagree. You believe with all your heart and soul, down to the deepest fibers of your being, that allah is God and Mohammed is his prophet. On the contrary, I believe with all my heart and soul, down to the deepest fibers of my being, That Yahweh is God, and Jesus Christ is his only begotten son and savior of the world.

Irrigardless of anything, we all desperately need God to intervene...peace.

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Re: Obama’s speech on Afghanistan: A compendium of Lies
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 December 2009, 17:50 »
Oh, I forgot to express my full agreement that Obama is indeed a proffessional, astute, crafty and determined liar. Make no mistake about it, Obama is what you call an ultru egotist. He views himself as an elite savior of sorts. He is the type that stairs in the mirror for hours practicing that oportunistic smile of his. He lies to you, he lies to me, he will lie to members of his own party, or to his own mother if that is what was required for him to advance his own mysterious ideology. He is also Godless. Although he claims that their are many paths to God, be it Islam, Christianity, or whatever. Muslims and Christians both agree that this is simply not true. Their is only one true religion.

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Re: Obama’s speech on Afghanistan: A compendium of Lies
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 December 2009, 09:14 »
Vonroe, at some point you are definitely right but yeah "race" does matter, I believe that there are certain Jews who are against the tyrant attitude of the state of israel. I being a Moslem, believe in the fact that Moslems honor and respect Jesus Christ pbuh more than the Christians and we believe in the all the Prophets sent by God or Allah to this world.

I also believe that adopting "holier than thou attitude" is the key to a lot of problems.

P.S.

Von I need to ask you a question I hope you won't mind, OK, are you "Dispensationalist"???  Like a born again christian???

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Re: Obama’s speech on Afghanistan: A compendium of Lies
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 08 December 2009, 15:11 »
I agree, having a holier than thou attitude is definately not a good thing. The fact is we are all sinners. That my friend is why we need a savior. And yes, I am a Christian, just a plain Bible believing Christian. I am still a sinner who needs Gods grace, and I do not believe that I am better than anybody else.

 You mention that Muslims respect Jesus more than Christians. This is not true. Muslims are not able to know anything at all about Jesus because Muslims claim that the holy scriptures that talk about Jesus are corrupted. Also, Muhommed came 600 years after Jesus, so he did not know much about Jesus either except what he read in the Bible, which he then claimed was corrupted. You see, I will respectfully tell you the truth, Muhammed had to try to take Jesus off his throne as the true son of God in order to prop himself up in the mind of his new converts as being better than Jesus.

How do I know that Jesus is the true son of God? Because myself and millions of other proffessing Christians actually have a deeply felt spiritual relationship with Jesus. A relationship that comes from the outside and enters into the heart, an experiance that reaches into the depth of your soul and grabs you, opens your eyes to the reality of Gods love, and our sinful nature. A truly  unexplainable experience.

The gates of hell will not prevail against the true followers of Jesus. Anyway, you say that Muslims respect Jesus, O.K. but christians truly LOVE JESUS and GOD.  Do you love allah? Do you feel Allahs warm love cover you? Do you feel Allahs warm love fill you untill you are so overflowing with it that you just want to go and give this love to others? Do you think Allah wants you to hurt anybody else? Do you think Allah needs any human being to do his hurting for him? Think about that...

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Re: Obama’s speech on Afghanistan: A compendium of Lies
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 December 2009, 08:45 »
Venroe, "Rapture" is like Lord of the Rings, you quoted Matthews but in Matthews Jesus Christ pbuh said "I ahve exclusively been sent for the house of Israelites".

Jesus Christ pbuh was NOT sent to "invent"Christianity because in the antiquities and till the 4th century A.D. there were no people by the name of Christians, there were no Churches and the small minority used to pray with Jews in their Synagogue. Again, there were no sign of crucifix, Christmas was not celebrated on 25th of December.

As history tells us, the Crusades were basically "organized" NOT for religious purposes but for money and many of the Christians [ who took the cross] were poor and peasant class had never seen a Muslim in their lives, let alone to fight one. History of Western Philosophy and Crusades {steven runciman, karen armstrong, william muir, bertrand russell, michael baigent} discusses this issue in length and found out that it took 5 whole years to transport the gold, silver from Jerusalem to the West.

The seminaries once were at the verge of financial collapse, suddenly started to mushroom all around the west.

DON'T BELIEVE ME, GO THROUGH HISTORY... 

1.   Klaussner has shown how thorough he was part of his time, and how he inherited the heroic tradition of the prophets and moralists of Israel. Hillel, grandfather of Gamaliel who taught St. Paul, speaks occasionally with the very words of Christ, a generation before Christ. “Judge not thy neighbor until thou has been in his place”. “My humility is my exaltation and my exaltation is my humility”. “Do not do unto others what thou wouldst not they should do unto thee; this is the whole of the law – the rest is only commentary”. “Jesus was not a Christian”, said Wellhausen, “he was a Jew”. “Christianity “, said Renan, “is the masterpiece of Judaism”. It is, in Heine’s phrase a “Jewish heresy”. (The Pleasures of Philosophy by Will Durant, page 362)

2.   The idea of a Sons of God, a Savior born of a virgin, dying in atonement for the sins of men, and rising again from the grave, is found in a great many religions before Christianity, or independent of Christianity: In India, for example, Krishna; In Egypt, Horus; in Mexico Quetsalcoatl. (The Pleasures of Philosophy by Will Durant, page 364)

3.   Having made Christ a god, the early Christians were driven to certain theological subtleties in order to meet two demands; one for the logical symmetry of the holy number three; the other for a monotheistic creed. To reconcile his universality with the existence of evil it was necessary to invent, after the manner of Persians, a god of evil – Satan, or Lucifer. At the same time the new creed had to fall in with the custom, among the Mediterranean peoples, of worshiping a triad of gods. The Hindus, the Egyptians, The Phoenicians, the Assyrians, and the Romans had worshiped three gods as three gods; but the drive to unity, particularly among the Jews, required a synthesis of the three Christian gods into a trinity; and the Philosophers of Alexandria affected this on the lines of Greek philosophy and legend.   

4.   So the scholars among the Christians interpreted the new religion as monotheistic, while the people saw in it a lovely variation of their familiar Polytheistic themes. Mary took the place of Venus, Aphrodite, Ishtar and Isis, and the “Great Mother” of the Phrygian cult; Mars became the archangel Michael, and Mercury became Raphael and Gabriel. Later the saints were installed as heirs of the minor pagan gods; every nation, every town and every guild had its patron saint, like the local deities of old; the natural polytheism of mankind was restored.

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Re: Obama’s speech on Afghanistan: A compendium of Lies
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 December 2009, 16:26 »
Silkworm, you have not done your intellectual homework in a thorough and honest manner. Most of what you have stated is lies. Below, I will make a brief refutation point by point. I will not invest the time to expose in detail your erroneous views.

Paragraph 1- I do not recall making mention to "rapture". Also, until Jesus resurrection from the dead, he was sent specifically to the house of Isreal to fulfill prophecy and testify to the Jews specifically concerning his being their long awaited messiah. They rejected him and had him crucified. Once the holy spirit came upon the apostles of Jesus, they were commanded to go into all the world and preach the gospel of redemption. You obviously have not studied the bible, you just believe secular writings about the bible, which is where you went wrong.

Paragraph 2- No Jesus did not come to invent christianity, he came to fulfill the law( the ten commandments). The term Christian was invented to describe "followers or believers of Jesus". Also, as indicated in the writings of Paul, as well as an examination of the writings of the early church fathers, house churches were growing rapidly and were the main places people gathered to worship. Church does not mean a building, the word for church in the bible is used to describe the spiritual church, which is the true believers of Jesus. Christmas was invented by the established roman state church (catholic church) which is not, nor ever was the true church. The origions of the holiday called christmas are pagan. Nowhere in the bible does it say that the christians prayed with jews in synogogue, this is false. The bible does say that Paul went to the synogogues to witness to the jews.

Paragraph 3- It is true that the crusades were financially motivated and not entirely for religious purposes, although to a degree the were. Remember, the crusades were initiated by the evil state popes of Rome, and not by true biblical christians.

In the next section you labeled 1-4.

1. Completely false. You say "Hillel grandfather of gamaliel, who taught saint Paul....speaks occassionaly with the very words of Christ a generstion before Christ"...blatant lie or severe mistake....please cite the source of this info, also, have you researched the sources of this source, if they even exist? Also, yes Jesus was a jew, which raises a very serious question for you, you say that muslims revere Jesus, and he was a jew, then why do muslims hate jews? And ofcourse it is well known that the Jews think that Jesus being the messiah and christianity are heresy.

2. This one is actually humorous, you say that the idea of a messiah and virgin birth, atonement and resuurection are all pagan religions, well these prophecies of the coming messiah of a virgin for atonement onto death and resurection are so saturated in the old testament, the same book that first made mention of Abraham, Issac, Jacob and Ismael, the same prophets and people that Muhommed decided to put in the Koran thousands of years later, and that muslims revere today.  Also, their are many atributes about Jesus and christianity prophecied in the old testament that are exclusuvely unique and predate most of these other false religions.  Not to mention the empty tomb, the eyewitness accounts of Jesus resurrected body, the amazing power of the early church movement, the fact that all but one of the apostle went to torturous martyrdom for their belief that they witnessed the resurected Jesus, The witness of the holy spirit in all of true believers hearts that is felt and experienced, etc. etc...

3. The early church did'nt make Christ God, Christ is God, in whom nobody made. Again, please try reading the bible with an open heart sometime. And again, in the remainder of this false dissertation you are describing the heretical catholic church, not true biblical christians. You say the philosophers of alexandria affected the inclusion of the trinity, again you believed a lie, the trinity concept of 1 god in three different expressions was found in the dead sea scrolls, which pre-date alexandrian philosophy concerning the trinity....sorry.

4. To ridiculous to respond to.

Back to basics huh? You really should be careful what you read, I am sincere about that.


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Re: Obama’s speech on Afghanistan: A compendium of Lies
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 10 December 2009, 17:28 »
Hey vonroe what does this mean?
 Can all sins be forgiven?

    * Yes - "Everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name." (Acts 10:43)  "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)
    * No - "Whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." (Matthew 12:32)  "Whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin." (Mark 3:29)

8. Is Jesus equal to God?

    * Yes - "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30)
    * No - "The Father is greater than I." (John 14:28)

 



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