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Re: Zionist Rulers of Saudi Arabia
« Reply #10 on: Friday 25 December 2009, 09:08 »
I’m afraid your post is drenched in excuses for Islamic terrorism. The only waging of holy war that I see in the world today is that being initiated by The Islam. Holy war (as defined by islam’s jihad), is for the purpose of expanding islamist ideology. Jihad is a cornerstone of The Islam and has been the reason for 1,400 years of islamist colonialism, war and rapine.
 
Your reference to “CIA-led terrorism on Islamists” seems like more conspiracy theory musings.

As to islamists being misdirected or vague in their ideologies on Jihad, I don’t see that at all. I see people such as bin laden as being pious moslems, adhereing strictly to islamist ideology.

As to islamist inspired Jew hating, your comments regarding the so-called “Palestinians” are standard boilerplate islamist ideology. So-called “Palestinian lands” have never existed. So-called “Palestinians” have never existed. The Arab/islamist world simply uses the so-called “Palestinians” as an excuse to further their insensate jew hatreds. Actually, it is the Arab/islamist ideology of waqf (an entitlement from God granted to Muslims in perpetuity) that is the core issue regarding the silly islamist fawning over so-called “Palestinians”.

It’s dangerous and just plain wrong to justify these calculated murders as either normal or natural. They’re neither. Rather, they’re undertaken with clear and identifiable connections to religious convictions and a sociopathic support system that furthers hatred and murder. The Arab/Muslim institutionalized hatred of Jews that is embraced by “Palestinians” was brought on by cruel and manipulative anti-Israelis who sought to use the 'plight' of the Palestinians they spurned from their own nations and lands many, many times as fodder to further their own agendas. The institution of insensate Jew hatred (which is a function of muslim orthodoxy), was furthered by other Arabs who care less about Palestinians than what the misfortune of the Palestinians could mean for their own political, financial, and social positions.
   


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Re: Zionist Rulers of Saudi Arabia
« Reply #11 on: Friday 25 December 2009, 09:21 »
in response to ur slander on Islam, i would prefer to remain quiet...it is below any Muslim to defend their religion verbally in front of an ignorant...and that too who has a myopic knowledge of everything!!!  :-X

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Re: Zionist Rulers of Saudi Arabia
« Reply #12 on: Friday 25 December 2009, 09:27 »
I believe what you’re really trying to convey is that you have no substantive rebuttal to my comments.
 
There was nothing untrue in my earlier comments and to hurl (attempted) insults as a defense to your failed arguments and an inability to refute my post is a poor excuse for rude behavior. 

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Re: Zionist Rulers of Saudi Arabia
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 26 December 2009, 01:17 »
yes i accept, i am unable to get my idea across to an indoctrinated ignorant eho has made up his mind to be insulting and to believe that whatever he says is th eultimate truth...if ur not open to listening to my side of the comments, ans are looking for ways to distort them, how do u expect me to continue...of all things, we muslims are not taught to always look for an excuse to hurl a brick on smbody's head just because we think or might know that they are wrong!!

if u think Islam colonised people, u need to check facts then...Islam conquered areas through warfare (only when attacked) and then they were remembered as just rulers..however right after that, Christians colonised the rest of the world through deceit and fraud...but oh no!! that was strategy!!! and that was so heroic!!!
yes CIA is a myth, White House and Pentagon are mythological and Israel is a figment of our imaginations...we stand corrected...they are virtually non-existant!!! and u say that Palestinians are equally a figment of our imaginations??perhaps ur right, but then why are they so much of a pain to Israelis...that is one way of saying that Israelis are schizoprheic...they hallucinate that they are threatened by these non-existant warriors...???
and if u think that the 'plight of Palestinians' has been misused by the Muslims to propagate the anti-Israel feelings...then what have the Jews done themselves...they have used an equally questionable holocaust to get the sympathy of the rest of the world too...tit for tat..wouldnt u say so??? btw, what do u have to say for the calculated pre-emptive mass murders of muslims all over the world by the Christians and the Jews...oh sorry, i forgot, they are so right..heroes!!and btw who declared the war on terror as a crusade...ooops, that wasnt a Muslim either...bingo!! muslims are wrong as usual...
the idea is, Jews and Christians dont bother us because we Muslims dont bother u, but if u bother us, dont expect muslims to stay put....
and last...ALLAH says in Quran "malign not their gods, because in their ignorance they will malign Allah..." and why i prefer not to answer to ur slanders is for two reasons...one i have already quoted from the Quran, the next is that im not here to convince anyone of what is the truth...u'll learn at ur own time and i leave that to Allah!!

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Re: Zionist Rulers of Saudi Arabia
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 26 December 2009, 06:32 »
Unfortunately, you haven’t taken the time or the effort to understand your history. You’ve offered a bubbly account of a slanted historical record that’s as patronizing as it is wrong. I’ll offer my refutation of your claims and as we’ll see that Islam’s history of conquest is not all camels milk and date palms as you would hope to present it. 

The Crusades lasted for 200 years, were largely focalized in Palestine, and were a response to a centuries-long aggressive Muslim encroachment into Europe, ranging from Spain and Portugal in the west, through Sicily, and to Hungary and the Balkans in the east, and were also meant to liberate the Holy Land from the Muslim infidel who had occupied it. The Bible does not exhort the Christian to conquest in Christ's name. The Islamic jihad, on the other hand, has lasted since the time of Muhammad and continues today, has been diffuse and widespread in scope, and is a pious act of offensive fighting in the way of God, as prescribed in the koran and elaborated upon in the sunnah.

The insertion of the holy duty of jihad into Islamic dogma, along with its earthly and heavenly rewards, helped to fuel the success with which Islam conquered half of the civilized world in its heyday. Long before and long after the European Christian Crusades, the Islamic jihad ravaged far-flung nations and cultures with devout fidelity to Allah's command to "fight them, that there may be no aberration in religion, and all religion belongs to Almighty God." (—Koran 2.193) But we Westerners rarely reflect upon the legion jihad campaigns into Europe which terrorized, enslaved, and killed so many, as we bludgeon ourselves with the disproportionate events of the Crusades.

After mohammeds death, the holy warriors™ swept out of the Arabian peninsula to spread Islam's dominion through the sword. They defeated the Byzantine and Persian empires, which had been worn down fighting each other. They cut a bloody path through Syria to Jerusalem and into Egypt, northern Africa, and Morocco, and stood poised to move into Europe. In the other direction, India, Afghanistan, and outlying areas of China fell to the holy warriors™. To the north, Mesopotamia and parts of the Caucasus were taken. This was just the beginning.

At the start of the eighth century C.E., much of Spain had already been seized in the Islamic jihad. Muslims today still refer to Spain as Al-Andalus, mistakenly named "the land of the Vandals," when it was actually the land of the Visigoths.

Actually, according to Una Historia Demográfica de España by Maria Teresa Trujillo de la Riva, by the time of the reconquista, muslims in Spain had become a minority. But for the three centuries between 940 and 1212 the population of Al Andalus (the Muslim ruled part of Iberia) was majority Muslim. This was particular true after the Almoravids invaded (already Muslim) Spain in 1086 and the “toleration” of the “20 taifas” came to an end. The Almoravids, and their successors the Almohades engaged in a ruthless persecution of Christians and Jews.

Much of Spain remained under Islamic rule for the next five centuries afterward, with Islam's last dying Spanish breath coming in 1492. Greece wasn't much of a challenge at all. Forays were made into France, including the French Riviera. The Serbs were defeated by the rising Ottoman Turks at "the Field of Blackbirds" where the decapitated heads of the vanquished Christian warriors were stacked into pyramids as the ravens (the blackbirds) picked at their corpses.
 
The French knights and their Hungarian allies were beaten at Nicopolis, partly due to the Kosovar vassals now conscripted into the Turkish ranks.

Constantinople held out against repeated Muslim sieges until 1453 when at last it was taken by the Ottoman Mahomet after much slaughter. That was a dark day for Christianity indeed. The Muslim conquests in the Balkans created history-shaking reverberations which are still felt today. Suleiman "the Magnificent" made the Danube run red with Christian blood and, as he took Budapest, sent hundreds of thousands of Hungarian men, women, and children to the slave markets in the Balkans, Anatolia, Egypt, and Syria. The barbarian Muslim hordes made it all the way to the gates of Vienna (but never took it) and into Poland before the territories of the Islamic jihad in Europe were finally stretched to their utmost. ™


The rest of your frantic tirade is a display of ignorance and islamist propaganda. You waver back and forth between CIA/Mossad inspired conspiracy theories and the usual holocaust denial themes. It’s really quite amusing but also pathetic and an abysmal display of wanton ignorance. You spread falsehoods of so-called “Palestinians” because it bolsters the hate that derices from your religious beliefs.
 
I think if you could objectively examine your ideology, you might discover the cause for islam splintering into so many sects and subdivisions and at least part of the reason for the hate and ignorance that takes place.   A reasonable and rational person would review your false and ignorant claims by resolving the contradictions and acknowledging that surrendering to ignorance does not suggest that you are capable of resolving truth. Your false claims that Islam is a faith of truth is a claim that cannot be defended with reason.
Your gods haven’t managed to do it so I can only hope that something else will lead you away from ignorance and guide you to truth.

 



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