Topic: Infidels blaming Muslims AGAIN!

[vonroe777]

Thank you for your kind remarks, and please allow me to humbly point something out with respect, and I am sincere.......It is a simple fact that many, many  Christians have died at the hands of Islamic extremist. This is a fact. Now if you propose an argument that it is the extremist that kill Christians, and not good and peacefull muslims, I would agree 100 percent, But, The muslim extremist do kill Christians.

Are these extremist representing true Islam? You would know better than I. I really do not know. But you and I know that their goal is world conquest under Sharia law. 

Americans will not live under Sharia law, niether will chinese or Russians, So this creates a huge problem for the extremist.......End less wars will result, acts of terrorism, arrogant and defiant American foriegn policy.........Vani ty of vanities...all is vanity.

[silkworm]

Thanks Vonroe for your kind input BUT you are "missing" a very vital link that is the involvement of Politics. Mossad and CIA arranged the 9/11 mishap which had its own reasons to be blamed on Moslems.  If we carefully look inside what had happened, we will come to know the truth....

This is the age of "making enemies" brother, now prior to the collapse of USSR, America was the torch bearer of freedom, justice, equality, liberty and "Free World", this slogan "Free World" was to be repeated so many times and almost all Moslem nations supported USA, by letting the US install listening posts, allowing the docking facitlies to US ships, and some like Pakistan actually face the anger of Russians by allowing US to flyover Soviet Union by U2 spy planes.

After the collapse of USSR, the Huge Industrial Military Complex of US was sitting idle as wars makes profits, so they needed "instant enemies" to keep the local economy at boom.

For your kind info much of the enemies were actually "invented" by the CIA just like in 1954 Israelis bombed the US targets in Egypt and blamed it on Egyptian Government.

BUT if we refrain from over-extending our Empire and treat the other nations with respect, their will be no enemies. Please also note that Moslems share their religious views with Christians and are tolerant of other religions.       

BTW we don't hear the most famous slogan of 80s i.e. "Free World", amazing right???

[silkworm]

Vonroe, I am giving you the names of some books that will act as "starter" on Arab/Israeli Issue, they have much less pages but are very authentic books on this subject:

1) Arabs & Israel by Ron David

2) Armageddon by Grace Halsell

3) The Gun & The Olive Branch by David Frost

Thanks Von

 

[vonroe777]

Thank you for the book recommendations, I will try to look into those books.

 One of the most compelling evidences for the Christian faith is an examination of Biblical prophecy. I used to think that Bible prophecy was just a lot of vague hype until I decided to look into it more deeply. I have associates that are not Christians, and in fact some of them hate religion of all types. At a certain point in time I had mentioned to them that I believe that the Bible is a book that is divinely inspired by God, and of course they laughed at me and criticised me. Well, I started showing them several specific prophecies about the Jews and the Arabs, particularly in the last days, and although they maintained their anti God feelings, many of them confessed that these Prophecies are very compelling and raise a lot of questions and posibillities.

Just a quick example, in Mathew 24 Jesus speaks about the end times and tells his followers that when you see and hear about increased wars and rumors of wars, famines, pestilences, all manner of evil that was unheard of before, for example child pornography, increased homosexuality, Kids shooting up schools, kids killing their parents, mass murder, the arise of many different cults and false religions, peoples hearts increasingly growing cold towards each other, the increase of mass information, the increase of mass travel, worldwide financial and economic turbulence, inflation, food shortages, civil unrest, worldwide wars, worldwide tensions between nations, etc. He said that when you see these things start to come about, then you can know that the end of the world and Christs return are imminent.

The Bible also prophecied that the Jews would be evicted from the holy land and be dispersed among the nations. Also that Jerusalem would be totally destroyed. This prophecy came true in 70 AD when the Romans totally destroyed Jerusalem and the Jews were finally and completely banished from Jerusalem and dispersed throughout the world. The prophecies then indicate that God would then bring the Jews back into Isreal in the last days, and they would be surrounded by enemies and be under worldwide contempt. This prophecy was fullfilled in 1948 when Isreal was re-established as a nation after 1900 years. And ofcourse Isreal is surrounded by enemies.

 Bible prophecy then indicates that very close to the end of our time as we know it, close to the last hour, Iran and Russia would join forces, along with several other arab nations and groups (probably Hizzbollah, Al Quaida, Hamas, etc.) would launch an attack and invade Isreal once and for all........At this point, right on the brink of world war 3, God intrvenes in a very dramatic way into the affairs of mankind. It also sais that if God does not intervene in this critical hour, that no flesh upon the earth would be saved, indicating nuclear holocaust most likely. These prophecies that are clearly laid out in the ancient texts of the Bible are dramatically unfolding in these last times.

It is interesting how up to a couple of thousand years after these prophecies were written, Muhamed wrote the Koran with a very similiar end times scenario, only replacing Jesus with the Mahdi as the savior. and replacing ancient belief in Yaweh with belief in Allah, as well as replacing ancient scripture with the Koran. He declared a very similiar end times scenario as the Bible, but ofcourse he made the Jews evil and the Arabs Gods chosen people. Ofcourse we Christians realize that Jesus opened the door of salvation to all the peoples of the world equally......very interesting. Their is no doubt that Mahammed read the ancient Biblical scriptures, and then was inspired to write the Koran, attempting to reverse everything in the prior scriptures.

Now this is going to sound blasphemous to you, and I dont mean it that way, but one very eerie thing about the Koran and the Bible is the correlation of the end time anti christ and savior. If you read what the Bible sais about the Anti Christ you would plainly see that the description is very similiar to the description that is given of the Mahdi of Islam. Also, if you read in Islamic eschotology of the discription of the anti christ, it is very similiar to certain characteristics of the promised savior of Judeo christianity. See how all these roles are eerily reversed? This is not just coincidence.

Their are many other prophecies that have been fullfilled or are unfolding even as we speak. I explained all of this so that maybe if you did not know before, you would atleast understand a little better what motivates "people of the book" to believe in this book we call the Bible........thanks for reading

[silkworm]

This theory of "biblical prophecy" regarding Israel, Welcoming and Cheerleading for Israeli's return of the "chosen people" to the  "promised land" is a "Dispensationalist" theory which is no more than 120 years old and begins with the Jews asking the drinker, gambler, and womanizer to write Scofield Bible.

Now, this Dispensationalist theory created multi-pronged effects on Christianity, just like the "Renaissance" did to Christianity wherein it change the religious "Doctrines" to derogatory "dogmas", this term validates itself till today and no Christian ever confronted this change.

Second thing it did is it made "Jewish Bible" (the Old Testament) a readily readable for Christians through out the world and brought the "New Testament" at a secondary level.
Thirdly it "trapped" sensible Christians through the rogue interpretation by people like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Heigi, Jimmy Swaggert and company who were "literally" bought by the Jews to deliberately misguide the Christians. Million of Dollars in Cash and a brand new plane to Jerry Falwell, women and fame, that brought them to lime-light.

How can a guy like Pat Robertson own a diamond mine in South Africa??? Grace Halsell who was a staff reporter in Reagan's white house speaks of people like this who are responsible for Christianity to go astry.

But I have a lot lot to say, but you should read "The Lost Christianity" by Jacob Needlemann and "The Kingdom of Heaven" by Uta-Renke Heinemann and you will be a changed person.

In the end, if you have any doubts about Jews please read Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Lamenation, Exodus wherein God totally disowned them and their claim to be a "chosen people" is a bluff to entrap Christian USA support Israel AND to present Muslims as EVIL, which is not the case.       

PLEASE CORRECT YOURSELF:

Prophet Mohammad pbuh never wrote the Glorious Qur'an, it was REVEALED to him...

Muslims are NOT against the Christians

Even with the Crusades Muslims lived with Christians

Even when the Muslims occupied Jerusalem, they never stopped Christians from visiting Jerusalem

Prior to Israeli occupation of Palestine, Muslims were living with Christians

You can find these facts in the book [History of Crusades - III Volumes] written by Professor Steven R. Runciman who is known as the father of Crusades and a scholar of high caliber.