Topic: Allah's will does not change

[The Full Moon]

Allah is most merciful,maybe he will place the infidels in the highest point of heaven. Allah is so much greater than any one can imagine,so who on earth can say what He will decide? 

curioustraveler

We can tell you what He said he will do and what he will NOT.
He does not lie, and does not trick us.

He told us in our Quran that he had prepared the hell fire for the none believer. And that is that.

How would you feel about someone who promises you something and then he does not go through with it...

Allah is perfect and Just. Our Quran is true. Our prophet told us the truth.

With all that said: No infidels will go to heaven ...NEVER EVER.( NO MAYBE ABOUT IT).

[The Full Moon]

Correct no infidels will enter heaven.
If allah decides to let you choose Islam after you die and then let reward you with jannah then that is Allahs will. Right? Allah is incomprehensible to us mere mortals. No one can know the mind of ALLAH, to think otherwise is blasphemy. Remember ALL THINGS ARE POSIBLE THROUGH ALLAH.

Excuse me!

What does this mean: If allah decides to let you choose Islam after you die and then let reward you with jannah then that is Allahs will Right?

NO, wrong. After we die there is no actions that we will be punished or rewarded for.

Again, please get that straight:
Allah told us the beginning and the End.
He said if you are a believer IN THIS LIFE you will be rewarded.
and He said if you die as a non believer you will NEVER go to heaven.

He is not lying to us, and he will not change his mind in this regard. This is his judgment.

He already decided this and told us about it, again he does not change his will or his judgment.

May Allah have mercy on us, and forgive us, and lead us to the right path. Amen.

[The Full Moon]

Only Allah can define when this life ends. how arrogant of you to suggest that Allahs ways are even percieivable by you. WOW you could have a lot of explainin'to do.

Allahu akbar!  Allah can will everything. Our understanding of Islam is imperfect.

even the greatest scholars can know only what Allah allows them to know. Don't let hubris get in the way of your duty to Allah.  do the best you can , but in the end only Allah knows what gains you entrance into heaven. And if it pleases Allah to allow a person who is "clinically dead " to enter heaven, then you must admit that your desire conflicts with Allahs will. thankfully Allah is most beneficent.

And explaining I am not shy of.

I guess we still have lots to learn.

 kindly answer the following questions:

1- You are telling me that Allah put us on this earth and did not tell us all what we can do to enter paradise or what will prevent us from going there?

2- Are telling me that what he said in Quran about having a choice and control over how to live and behave is not everything we need to know? so you are telling me Hod omitted something so we are living in the life with blinds over our eyes?

3- Can we do what we want and we because we have no control over where we are going to end up?

4- Why one has to be a believer or obeisance because God might have not told us that he might forgive all to everyone??

the difference between what you are saying and my point is the following:

- We believe that Allah can do whatever he wants whenever he wants
But at the same time
- he told us what is wrong to avoid it to avoid ending up in hellfire and told us what to believe and how to obey him to be granted heaven.

- Allah told us that he might forgive the Muslim sinners, after some punishments or without any punishments,
-  but he will not forgive non believers ever.

Again that is mentioned in Quran.

So at this point let me ask you the last question:

- Are you telling me that Allah will do something the will contradict the Quran?!

His being able to do anything has nothing to do with this.
 
The fact is:  Allah told us that He will not will for that.
And DOES NOT AND DID NOT LIE.

Contradicting this is contradicting Quran.
Islam came clear and complete and logic and explained our purpose of our being on this earth and what to expect in the next and everlasting one too.
 

 

[StarM675]

Assalamualaikum...

Dear Full moon and dear Curioustraveler

it seem your discussion irritated me....... for both of you please keep your  head down for while and listen.

Dear Curioustraveler

from what i read in The Fullmoon statement before, he just tried explain to you that what state in Al quran are not just guideline for mankind to follow but the agreement and promise made by Allah to us.

it true....after death we can't change our mind because that day(afterlife) is the day full of regret to those whoe reject Allah

sura Al anaam
[6.31] Lost indeed are they who treat it as a falsehood that they must meet Allah,- until on a sudden the hour is on them, and they say: "Ah! woe unto us that we took no thought of it"; for they bear their burdens on their backs, and evil indeed are the burdens that they bear?

there are more sura comfirm it........he was right even Allah have will to do anything. a promise is a promise. Allah never brake his promise to us.

Dear to The Fullmoon

i understand that you can't accept the Curios traveler statement about afterlife...

What does this mean: If allah decides to let you choose Islam after you die and then let reward you with jannah then that is Allahs will Right?

the blue one came from you and the green one came from curioustraveler. for me curioustraveler statement is not i consider as fact because it use...IF..... can't you understand the concept IF in statement? it just showing the ability that Allah posess not what Allah would do.

if this question given to me i would anwers like this..

Yes, it Allah will to put who ever He want to hell or to heaven before or after. but Allah never broke his promise about a certain thing that he promise before so Allah will keep his promise to the end.


listen....both

i use face a christian guy once ask me if Allah can do anything or not? and i'm answer yes.. anything can be done by Allah. and he ask again can Allah change into Human. then my answer is Yes.......Allah have power to change Himself to human.(i never question about Allah will power)

then he ask his blow question... you able to understand God power, can you accept that Jesus is God(as God Transform Himself into human-by a certain procedure). i respond without hesitate on this....and answer No.

he seem so suprise and think i thick headed about Allah.Why? Why? Why? can't you see? you already said Allah able to do anything? even to be a human.

then i explain...... i only knew that Allah can do anything that he want..anything without limitation but what would God do i dont knew much because i'm not Allah. and why i said No is because for Allah to do what He want to do there were a certain rule that made by him on this world without the rule we can never exist on this universe.(this will take me back explaining about the fabric our universe on what we live on..time and space and take a journy to understand how fate releven with cause and affect theory and also with our own will power)

for some i refer Al quran to understand the behavavior of Allah.(the truth is human psychology can't be apply so i made D section rule to descrie Allah pattern based 99 other god name)

but without Al quran or other reference... i still can say NO...by just using my akal(power of mind). if God became human mean after that He no longer a God and a God like that definately not a God....that my logic. that why i never consider myself that Allah would be a human or any other form... if do that God never be consider a true God.

morale the story : Allah will power is different from what Allah will do.yes Allah have the ability to let any person go to hell or heaven. but will He do that? so the find out about this read Al quran our guide on earth from Allah.

let us be......

and now........ if you guy still want to argue, pleace find your own place... here i just want to talk about Allah name......not about Allah will or what...it make me confius reading post that i consider as reply for my thread.

peace
 

[curioustraveler]

 

Only Allah can define when this life ends. how arrogant of you to suggest that Allahs ways are even percieivable by you. WOW you could have a lot of explainin'to do.

Allahu akbar!  Allah can will everything. Our understanding of Islam is imperfect.

even the greatest scholars can know only what Allah allows them to know. Don't let hubris get in the way of your duty to Allah.  do the best you can , but in the end only Allah knows what gains you entrance into heaven. And if it pleases Allah to allow a person who is "clinically dead " to enter heaven, then you must admit that your desire conflicts with Allahs will. thankfully Allah is most beneficent.

And explaining I am not shy of.

I guess we still have lots to learn.

 kindly answer the following questions:

1- You are telling me that Allah put us on this earth and did not tell us all what we can do to enter paradise or what will prevent us from going there?

2- Are telling me that what he said in Quran about having a choice and control over how to live and behave is not everything we need to know? so you are telling me Hod omitted something so we are living in the life with blinds over our eyes?

3- Can we do what we want and we because we have no control over where we are going to end up?

4- Why one has to be a believer or obeisance because God might have not told us that he might forgive all to everyone??

the difference between what you are saying and my point is the following:

- We believe that Allah can do whatever he wants whenever he wants
But at the same time
- he told us what is wrong to avoid it to avoid ending up in hellfire and told us what to believe and how to obey him to be granted heaven.

- Allah told us that he might forgive the Muslim sinners, after some punishments or without any punishments,
-  but he will not forgive non believers ever.

Again that is mentioned in Quran.

So at this point let me ask you the last question:

- Are you telling me that Allah will do something the will contradict the Quran?!

His being able to do anything has nothing to do with this.
 
The fact is:  Allah told us that He will not will for that.
And DOES NOT AND DID NOT LIE.

Contradicting this is contradicting Quran.
Islam came clear and complete and logic and explained our purpose of our being on this earth and what to expect in the next and everlasting one too.
 

 

1.I am saying perhaps Allah chose to tell us what he wished to tell us.(what our puny minds could handle?)
2.I am saying "yes we live our lives with blinds over our eyes." Not because Allah didn't tell us all we need to know but because we are incapable of knowing all that Allah knows.
3.Exactly. We can(and do) exactly what we want to do(mores the pity).None of us do as we should.Doing as the koran commands doesnt ensure  us of heaven only the mercy of Allah can provide that.
4. I don't have to be obediant to Allah to assure my place in heaven. I must obey Allah because I love  Allah with my entire being. I am not in it for the reward.

I am telling you Allah might do something that WILL CONTRADICT YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE KORAN.

[The Full Moon]

Assalamualaikum...

Dear Full moon and dear Curioustraveler

it seem your discussion irritated me....... for both of you please keep your  head down for while and listen.

Dear Curioustraveler

from what i read in The Fullmoon statement before, he just tried explain to you that what state in Al quran are not just guideline for mankind to follow but the agreement and promise made by Allah to us.

it true....after death we can't change our mind because that day(afterlife) is the day full of regret to those who reject Allah

there are more sura comfirm it........he was right even Allah have will to do anything. a promise is a promise. Allah never brake his promise to us.

Dear to The Fullmoon

i understand that you can't accept the Curios traveler statement about afterlife...

What does this mean: If allah decides to let you choose Islam after you die and then let reward you with jannah then that is Allahs will Right?

the blue one came from you and the green one came from curioustraveler. for me curioustraveler statement is not i consider as fact because it use...IF..... can't you understand the concept IF in statement? it just showing the ability that Allah posess not what Allah would do.



listen....both


let us be......

and now........ if you guy still want to argue, pleace find your own place... here i just want to talk about Allah name......not about Allah will or what...it make me confius reading post that i consider as reply for my thread.

peace

 

I regret that our discussion bothered you.

We welcome your response, but personally, I do not agree with you that if someone say something in on thread we cannot comment on his statement because it is not in that specific subject someone started.

This forum is to discuss all issues related to our understanding of what Allah gave us as guidance of how to live and what to believe.

Please try to refrain from telling us to go somewhere else next time.. this happens in any discussion you start a subject then end up in another and another unintentionally. 

Kindly understand that many people have the same questions or believe and thoughts, and maybe they will benefit from such discussion.

I understand that you meant well....and to accommodate your request I split the subject into a new thread.

salam

[whatislam]

Abrahamic religions are so peculiar --- you are happy to believe that God who created man in his own image is happy to send 70% of his creation to hell (if you are Christian) and 80% (if you are Muslim) for eternity.

well - one must not seek to complain or criticise but love and serve.

I know I believe ALL religions to be true --- but sometimes I realise that they will always remain incomprehensible to me, which is fine, they are not my path (fortunately). 

any Muslim I meet will be treated with love as that is my gospel:  service to all mankind as ALL are made in the image of God and indeed are to be served as if they are God.

others actions I am not responsible for - only my own.

and the world is of course perfect - if only we could take the time to recognise it as such.  and where it is made imperfect by man's ignorance - there we should spread love and truth.

i will still bend to the majesty of God when i hear the mosque (which i sometimes can) with the call to prayer, i hope i will be continuosly in prayer but on the occasions i am not - how glorious it is to me to hear that call or the Christian church bells reminding me to concentrate my mind.

i thought i was doing a good thing by learning more about islam but this cannot be the case.

nonetheless i have enjoyed talking with DanSims and others and wish him the very best --- if he reads this too!

[curioustraveler]

I heartfully apologize f or upsetting anyone. I understand this forum is not the place to post my own questions. I understand that the owners of this forum have every right to decide what is best for people to think and say on this site. sometimes I have great difficulty towing the party line, please forgive me.

[The Full Moon]

Abrahamic religions are so peculiar --- you are happy to believe that God who created man in his own image is happy to send 70% of his creation to hell (if you are Christian) and 80% (if you are Muslim) for eternity.

well - one must not seek to complain or criticise but love and serve.

I know I believe ALL religions to be true --- but sometimes I realise that they will always remain incomprehensible to me, which is fine, they are not my path (fortunately). 

any Muslim I meet will be treated with love as that is my gospel:  service to all mankind as ALL are made in the image of God and indeed are to be served as if they are God.

others actions I am not responsible for - only my own.

and the world is of course perfect - if only we could take the time to recognise it as such.  and where it is made imperfect by man's ignorance - there we should spread love and truth.

i will still bend to the majesty of God when i hear the mosque (which i sometimes can) with the call to prayer, i hope i will be continuosly in prayer but on the occasions i am not - how glorious it is to me to hear that call or the Christian church bells reminding me to concentrate my mind.

i thought i was doing a good thing by learning more about islam but this cannot be the case.

nonetheless i have enjoyed talking with DanSims and others and wish him the very best --- if he reads this too!

Dear

It is very obvious that you need to know what is Islam before you can discuss with  Muslims about what they believe in.

1- Muslims do not believe that they resemble God (Allah) in any form or shape. We are not in God's image.. so do not treat us like God!
 
2- Where did you find in Islam that God is (happy) to send anyone to hellfire?

3- what did you mean by saying
"one must not seek to complain or criticize but love and serve".

We are on this earth to obey our Lord and follow his orders.

If by criticizing each other we can correct a wrong believe that is loving others. if you see someone jumping in a water full of sharks wont you advise him. Muslims do.

Our lord who created us and gave us all opportunities to live and enjoy and gave us the chance to gain an eternal happiness by obeying him.

Simple question: do you obey your boss? and that is a human just like you.

When you said :"I realise that they will always remain incomprehensible to me, which is fine, they are not my path (fortunately)".

I always wondered by reading your posts why are you here?
if you are happy the way you are, why bother with some people who according to you , you will never understand since they are misguided and going on false belief?

You said : i thought i was doing a good thing by learning more about islam but this cannot be the case.

It is very obvious that you are not here to learn about Islam, and passing judgments about something you do not know or understand, and not willing to learn is never fair.

Good luck.


 

[The Full Moon]

I heartfully apologize f or upsetting anyone. I understand this forum is not the place to post my own questions. I understand that the owners of this forum have every right to decide what is best for people to think and say on this site. sometimes I have great difficulty towing the party line, please forgive me.

Dear

Which questions have you posted, that we objected to? And when did the owner of this forum told you what to post or to say?


salam