Topic: Is my belief right??

[The Full Moon]

Dear  iceburn4u212007

I would like to welcome your discussion in our forum, and hope that we will clear few points and come to some agreement about few things.

1- All humans and Jinn should pray to only one God (Allah) the one who created us.

2- Regarding writing the Quran - All muslims are in a full agreement about the following:-
Qura'n was revealed to Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him during his life and memorized by him and his companions who recited it on Prophet Muhammad for accuracy.
When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him died a big number of people had it memorized and at the same time had it written on either paper or skin or woods ... and Prophet's companion Abu Baker (who was the first khaliph) with the advise of Omar Ibn al-khatab collected the written Quran and put it in the same order they recited on the Prophet.
This copy was kept at lady Aisha (daughter of Abu- Baker) then at Hafssa (dauther of Omar) and both were wives of prophet Muhammad. The copies were made from this only copy, Therefore in the Muslim words you will find the exact copy everywhere word for word.

Can you guide us to the one injeel (bible) that was given to prophet Issa (Jeuses), which one is the true word for word? Just for the sake of discussion and not trying to argue, this has always puzzled Muslims about Injeel.

3- In the Quran (the translation of its words into English states) :

(5:3 )Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swineflesh, and that which hath been dedicated unto any other than Allah, and the strangled, and the dead through beating, and the dead through falling from a height, and that which hath been killed by (the goring of) horns, and the devoured of wild beasts, saving that which ye make lawful (by the death-stroke), and that which hath been immolated unto idols. And (forbidden is it) that ye swear by the divining arrows. This is an abomination. This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion; so fear them not, fear Me! This day have I perfected your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you as religion al-Islam. Whoso is forced by hunger, not by will, to sin: (for him) lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


Allah mentioned that what was revealed to Prophet Muhammad is the perfected religion and the one Allah (God) has chosen for the humans and Jinns, therefore everyone should embrace Islam.

(39:23 )Allah hath (now) revealed the fairest of statements, a Scripture consistent, (wherein promises of reward are) paired (with threats of punishment), whereat doth creep the flesh of those who fear their Lord, so that their flesh and their hearts soften to Allah's reminder. Such is Allah's guidance, wherewith He guideth whom He will. And him whom Allah sendeth astray, for him there is no guide.


So the guidance is from our Creator, no matter what we wish for.

4- Last, Muslims fight the people who fight them regardless of their religion.
None Muslims have rights as human being and as Muslims we do respect them.

We are open for more communications and willing to discuss for more understanding between us.

Regards

[iceburn4u212007]

Absolute agreement.We were all created by God.(Torah)Genesis 1:1
 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (Toah) Genisis1:26-27> Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created man in his own image,
       in the image of God he created him;
       male and female he created them.
There are 5,735 (Welte, 2003) manuscripts of the whole or part of the Greek text of the New Testament (Injil) pre-dating Muhammad still in existence. Worldwide, there are 24,800 copies of these original manuscripts. These include the Codex Vaticanus (325-350 AD) located in the Vatican library and the Codex Siniaticus (350 AD) located in the British Museum. There are also 80,000 quotations in the works of early Christian writers which are so extensive that the New Testament could virtually be reconstructed from them without the actual New Testament documents. Then there is the obvious fact that the Christian Gospels were so widely distributed both before and after Muhammad, that any attempt to change (add/subtract) something in the Christian Gospels would have resulted in immediate discovery and condemnation. So we could say that the Bible was written exactly like the Qu'ran. Spiritual manifestation of a divine God written for a divine purpose.Bibles that have not changed are:

Protestants original Authorized King James (1611)
Catholics Catholic Douay Reims - older versions . Is the origional Qu'ran kept for viewing...and if so where ?(asking cause i really don't know?)...

And now i understand about the fighting against islam thingy. Thanks for clearing that up. As God fearers we are to respect and love one another in peace and kindness.regardless of belief or lifestyle. (1000% agreed)! As you probably know already,the Old testament was written in Hebrew and the New Test. in Greek.I'm learning greek now..it's brain melting.
There are over 400 prophecies in the Old Testament(Torah) which point to the coming Messiah and to His life and death. Jesus Christ perfectly fulfilled every single one of them.(If you would like the list just let me know,i will take time to gather all the info.) The odds of someone doing that who was not the Messiah are too great to even figure. It is impossible. Which confirms the Injeel that number times.If not Acts to Revelation. Then the Gospels alone have to be exact or the prophecies would be fake and a lie. Oh 2 real quick questions...Q1-do you believe in the return of Christ(the rapture?) Q2-How many prophecies were told about Muhammads comming,, birth and death?....(again you would know better than me)... Thanks again for all the clearing up.!I will go into deeper discussion soon about the origional scrolls and text of the injeel.

[curioustraveler]

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[samsparky]

I am in total agreement that we should pray an seek God as Jesus did.And that we should be followers of the injeel and torah. I am trying to figure out (from scripture) where it mentions Muhammad as a prophet. Again the Biblw was written before the Koran 575 yrs before.And the Qu'ran 150 yrs after Muhammad died. But you can't even say the gospels are corrupt or changed.Muhammad states the Qu'ran is the conformation of the Injeel and Torah(Bible being written first)....so to say the gospels are corrupt goes against the Qu'ran itself.Qur'an  5:46/47 and 43:63; "And in their (earlier prophets) footsteps,  We sent Jesus the son of Mary,  confirming the Taurat (the Jewish Torah),  that had come before him:  We sent him the Injeel (the Christian Gospel),  therein was Guidance and Light.  And confirmation of the Taurat ( the Torah),  that had come before him:  a Guidance and an Admonition to those who fear Allah. 002.256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out Clear from Error: whoever rejects Evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. I am an enemy of no one.Jesus says to love no matter what.I love my gospel just like you love the Qu'ran.Sharing our truths is what helps us to understand each other.And im not an enemy to anyone who does not believe in Jesus,because he says," My command to you is that you Love one another." But i have some replying to my post.."if your an enemy of islam,your an enemy of mine." How is that representing Allah being oft forgiving most MERCIFUL. Are Christians allowed to share the truth and Love you too? Or are we considered enemies?

Prophet MuHammad came to confirm the true belief which was contained in the original Bible & original Torah as well as in the Qur'aan. The Verses you referred to do not mean that Prophet MuHammad authored the Qur'aan using the Bible & Torah. No human authored the Qur'aan, nor the original Bible, nor the original Torah. These are Divine Books.
Nowadays what is called the bible does not mention the true belief & does not mention Prophet MuHammad because it has been changed. The proof is the millions of differences between one book and another while people claim that all of them are bibles.
Prophet Jesus didn't used to say love evil but that doesn't mean that we hurt everyone we see not on Islaam.

[samsparky]

A major difference between Muslims and christians nowadays is that Muslims do not believe that God is in the image of a human and they do not liken Him to human beings not even metaphorically.

Yes the original Qur'aan can be found in museums like in Turkey.

King James version!! That means King James had input into it. It is not the true Bible. And protestants are not even considered orthodox by christians and neither are catholics.

The Injeel was in ancient Greek - not modern Greek.

Muslims believe that Prophet Jesus did not die yet and that he is in the 2nd sky now. He will return to the earth as a sign of the nearing of Judgement Day.

I am not sure of the number of Prophecies about Prophet MuHammad's appearance but many have been mentioned in Islamic lessons - some about jews and some about christians finding the description of Prophet MuHammad in their books - many of which differed from nowaday's ones too - it seems those books were being changed bit by bit.

Anyone can help with stories about the Prophecies?

I know the one about Baheerah who met the Prophet when he was very young & confirmed the signs of Prophethood in him.

There were also jews who admitted that Prophet MuHammad's description was in their book.\

There was someone who asked the Prophet certain questions that only a Prophet could answer - one of them was "how does the child come to resemble their mother or father?"

I know there was also the` description of one of the companions found by the Romans. From my memory i think it was ^Umar.

[jonusb]

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