Topic: Judged by Jesus?

[dnasims]

My family is very strict Roman Catholics so I am sure about that.

They state that G_D is one but has shown himself in three separate states of being.

Human, G_D the father and the Holy Sprit, but all still one as in an egg has shell yoke and the white but is still an egg.

What they mean by Jesus will judge them is that it will be G_D with the full human understanding of sin, and temptation since a sprit my not have such feelings.

I guess my statement would have been better understood if I had said they are judged by ALL_H but it may be Jesus own testimony that convicts them of their wrongdoing.



Dan Sims

[whatislam]

hello dan

"it is enough to believe that all is possible in God's creation.  never allow the thought to cross your mind that your ideas are the only true ones and those of others are false.  how much can a man understand of G_d's activities?  Therefore I do not give a thought to the world, but meditate on God alone."

that is a quote from Sri Ramakrishna - i hope it makes sense to you!   

[curioustraveler]

hello dan

"it is enough to believe that all is possible in God's creation.  never allow the thought to cross your mind that your ideas are the only true ones and those of others are false.  how much can a man understand of G_d's activities?  Therefore I do not give a thought to the world, but meditate on God alone."

that is a quote from Sri Ramakrishna - i hope it makes sense to you!   

Of course the other religions are false, all the great teachings of Islam bear this out. who is Sri ramakrishna ? is he your god?

[whatislam]

hello curioustraveler

i understand that for muslims (and christians) all other religions are false.  probably for all abrahamic religions that is the case - but i don't know about judaism....

christians believe all muslims (and others who don't accept Christ) will go to hell.
equally muslims believe all christians (and others who don't accept Islam) will go to hell. 

according to these beliefs one or the other will be right and you both will only find out when you die which one it is.

the Vedantic belief is a little different - we believe all religions are true.   i can see that one might immediately take exception to the logic of that and say "if all religions are true and MY religion says that only IT is true - how does that compute?"  but the way Vedantists look at it would be to say --- each religion is a path, if it is necessary for the believers of that path to hold to the fact that only THEIR religion is true then that is what is necessary for them and therefore it is true for them.

i know this concept can be difficult for some abrahamic peoples to grasp.  and that would be EXACTLY the reason why they are following the abrahamic type religions because the idea of plurality of religion is possibly not suitable for the way they mentally process things.

equally the idea, for example, of worshipping G_d as an abstract, formless G_d is perfect for some brain-types.  others however have difficulty with imagining or being able to conceptualise  abstract concepts and they, therefore, need an image as a conduit for their worship. 

in Vedanta neither way of worship is seen to be superior or inferior - simply another way.  so for those who need an image or a personality to be able to relate to the infinite - then that is what they choose and worshipping an image of Christ or any deity is always considered just as a route to the worship of the infinte.  There is only one God. 

in fact many people have a lot of difficulty with abstract ideas such as infinity or no time or lack of causation etc. but these are all human perceptions and relevant only in that field but nonetheless for those who are incapable of perceiving outside of the relative and into the abstract - images or deities are what they need as they are not able to comprehend or worship an abstract, formless or  unknowable G_d.

as for Sri Ramakrishna - he was alive in the late 19th century (1800s) and was pronounced an avatar whilst still alive.  An avatar is a complicated idea to explain properly.  but i will do my best to explain it as unfaultily (?) as i can:  an avatar is considered to be a perfect being who descends to this earthly realm to provide guidance for mankind in order to help men make spiritual progress.  they are born perfect and never fall into sin.  Christ would be another example in the Vedantic tradition of an avatar - whereas Buddha might well be considered one or also possibly not and considered just a "perfected soul" ie one not born perfect but one who achieved perfection through great struggle.  Lao Tzu (whom  you mentioned previously) might also be considered one who achieved perfection (or enlightenment) through applying principle etc. and adherence to truth and so on.  Socrates is another example but these are generally NOT considered avatars - like Krishna/Sri RamaKrishna and Christ as they are not perceived to have been born perfect and never sinned.

i expect that it may be (for you) as an abrahamic religion follower that these ideas are complex or seem alien or difficult to understand but i have tried to put them as simply as i could - if you need any more clarification then don't hesitate and i will try my best.....!

[Emilee]

 

christians believe all muslims (and others who don't accept Christ) will go to hell.
equally muslims believe all christians (and others who don't accept Islam) will go to hell. 

hello whatislam
To explain why from islamic point of view all "religions" are false... read the following. I know you mat know most of this, but let me clarify something.
 
From islamic point of view, all religions were based on one, just misinterpreted and wrongly followed.
The reason why we think all the rest the religions are wrong is simply
because when people through the decades changed the sent books ( Torah, Bible) they lost what Allah ( Arabic term for God) has prescribed for them in that period of time. All sent books had the same message ( that there is only One God and that we were created to worship Him only. One of the differences was the fact that those books were sent to people for only that period of time. Whenever they were changed or altered by people to the point where no original was left, Allah sent new prophet. Islam, eventually came, with the Qur'an as a last book.Qur'an wasnt altered fro 14 centuries.  Because Islam is intent to the whole humanity, ( as said so in the Qur'an).
Now, those who followed the original books in that time, ofcourse will go to Heaven. BEcause those books dont exist in their original form any more, people must eventually turn to the only original, existing one, Qur'an. that would lead them to islam, inshaAllah ( God Willing).
 
but Allah is Most Merciful, and He will not punish until He has given a chance for people to go Heaven.
 

[The Full Moon]

Dear brothers and sisters

I would like to add few facts:

1- The Islam is the religion that all prophets and messengers peace be upon them called for Islam (to worship one God) and their followers were called Muslims.

2- The massage of all Prophets peace be upon them were the same but the rules where different (how to pray or fast ...etc.)

3- All the holy books we are to believe that they are from Allah, but Allah did not will to preserve them to our day but he promised to protect the Quran because it is the book with the rules which to be followed until the end of time.

4- Every human being who came at the time of a prophet was obliged to follow him and who ever objected is blasphemer. A person does not have the choice to follow the prophet of his time or the previous one. The have to follow the Prophet of their time (the Jews were to follow Prophet Jesus peace be upon them and Christian were to follow Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him ) Allah sent the Prophet to be followed, and disobeying Allah makes the person a non Muslim ( a blasphemer) - let us remember that the devil objected to Allah too.

5- When Allah sent Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him as his last messenger, so people of his time and every generation that came after and until the day of judgment have to follow him and accept Islam and its rules as a last rules from Allah to be follow.


And Allah knows best.

Salam