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Re: Who were هَارُوتَ وَمَارُوتَ Haroot and Maroot? Angels! NO
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 29 January 2009, 08:44 »
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Muslims have to refer to Quran and then to sunnah and then to scholars of Islam when faced with disagreements.

Grand Quran has been introduced as The Book. This has been referred to as The Book because of the fact "La raiba feehi"", therein is no conjectural matter-something about which one could be suspicious, reluctant to accept.
The Book comprises of words and words have a predefined, predetermined perception that they convey and transmit from one end to other's brain.
 
The words of the Grand Quran are supreme, only they are authentic. You may take assistance from the work of scholars but they can never never be considered as synonymous to the words of Quran.
 
Let me give you one example.
فَمَا لَهُمْ عَنِ التَّذْكِرَةِ مُعْرِضِينَ


YUSUFALI: Then what is the matter with them that they turn away from admonition?-
PICKTHAL: Why now turn they away from the Admonishment,
SHAKIR: What is then the matter with them, that they turn away from the admonition

كَأَنَّهُمْ حُمُرٌ مُّسْتَنفِرَةٌ

YUSUFALI: As if they were affrighted asses,
PICKTHAL:[/] As they were frightened asses
SHAKIR:[/] As if they were asses taking fright

Muhammad Sarwar: like frightened donkeys
Abdul Majid Daryaabadi: As though they were asses startled
فَرَّتْ مِن قَسْوَرَةٍ

YUSUFALI: Fleeing from a lion!
PICKTHAL:[/] Fleeing from a lion?
SHAKIR:[/] That had fled from a lion?

Muhammad Sarwar: running away from a lion?
Abdul Majid Daryaabadi:Fleeing away from a lion.
 
These are just few examples. But if you search the translations in different languages of the word you may find similar words.
 
What these scholars are saying is NOT a ground reality/fact. These are their words NOT of Grand Quran. The words of Quran only state a proven fact.
 
Horses are flight animals, i.e. in times of panic or danger they will run away. Donkeys, both domestic and wild, do not run away on seeing the lion nearby. They will simply freeze when frightened and become easy prey of lion.

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Re: Who were هَارُوتَ وَمَارُوتَ Haroot and Maroot? Angels! NO
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 29 January 2009, 11:30 »
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Muslims have to refer to Quran and then to sunnah and then to scholars of Islam when faced with disagreements.

The words of the Grand Quran are supreme, only they are authentic. You may take assistance from the work of scholars but they can never never be considered as synonymous to the words of Quran.


Dear

It is so nice to agree on one thing; I do agree with you about what's quoted above.

Now, with that in mind I would like to ask you, whose words are you using to translate The Holy Quran. Humans words.   You are using them to prove your point, same as I am using the saying of scholars to explain mine.

If you do not want to take the words of scholars who I trust because they are more knowledgeable than me, you will have to understand my reluctant to take the words of your translators.

My first language is Arabic, and the language the Quran came in Arabic, so maybe I can rely more on understanding of the Arabic language and how sometimes one word might have many many different meanings.

Salam
 

 



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