Topic: Muslims, Student Loans, and Western Subjects

[tariqibn]

This thread is to shed some light on two subjects very quickly: Student loans and Western Subjects.

Student Loans

First and foremost the question resides in the loan...The loan that requires a usurious payment...
How important is getting an education?? Is it a necessity of life?? What would implicate a man to take out a loan that Allah hates so much so that he can gain something of an uncertified value...There is no telling after he gets his degree that he will get a job....Is taking a student loan for learning after a dictation to ever commit such a heinous crime?? The 3 necessities of life does not fall under education and in most cases a man will not die from a lower job..A degree is only to get something better...a step above a basic but Allah has commanded us to be content with the basics... For those that crave something beyond basics can do so in a halal manner.. Where does this practice come from that a Muslim would take out loans on riba as there are other options available for the Muslim to do to advance in life??



Western Subjects

This is a question as to whether or not it is permissible for Muslims to study courses that are clearly against islam... Social sciences and other sciences or subjects in particular that go against islam...
As far as we know it is allowed to learn these subjects, the ones who know.. Our children being raised up under this indoctrination can be misled... Even adults who are not firmly grounded in knowledge of the deen can be misled... Though a Muslim knows the truth, it is not recommended in the least for a Muslim to study any perverted thoughts of any people that are not proven to be factual.. This is still a dangerous matter...It was told to some group of men that though are grounded in knowledge they should not go close to any innovators and listen to their speech for fear of being misled and our societies are not only taken years of studies under these ideologies but they are implementing these ways..

[Sami Yusuf Islam]

is not it very evident that education is an abolute must today ?
 
 

[tariqibn]

no it is not in the least evident that education is a must pelase explain to me how a person cannot comitt incest with his mother for a bigger house, car and swimming pool...or is 9 to 5 minimum wage not good enough???

[dnasims]

I am not sure where you are from, but in usa it is very hard to get any job with out education.
 
if you do not have a high school diploma at least than can not even work at fast food.
 
I beet out a man at my job who had twenty years of experince more than me but I had a degree, and he did not so I got the job.
 
As far as student loan that is an option only.
 
What you study is also up to you. you could study in something that would not interfere with Islam.
 
Dan Sims
 

[tariqibn]

You are wrong.. This is highly unlikely that you can study islamix subjects because your prerequites require you to study haram subjects.. you just getting a degree alone can be haram so you have no right to say such things...


A degree is not a must and if it is then it may be that you should find some place else to live and that country will not be allowed in islam for you to stay there..

[dnasims]

The president of US does not something dictate this or government, sure they push for education, however, the fact remains that the people and the companies control most of this.

If company “x” hears that education is a big concern on most peoples minds then company “X” will say they will not hire anyone unless the have education.

They do this to keep the public happy so more people will shop with company “X”.

They mean no harm to Islam or any other religion.  It is matter of in a country where democracy is suppose to rule then either the largest group or the ones who make most noise win.

Simply because if you want to sell then you had better please the majority of people.

I am new and trying to learn so not sure what all is Haram in Islam, however if I must leave my country to follow religion then something is wrong.

I can not believe G_D would turn me away because I am in wrong country.  Not only that but if I left my country and went to Islamic country do you think they would welcome an American with open arms?

Dan Sims

[tariqibn]

The president of US does not something dictate this or government, sure they push for education, however, the fact remains that the people and the companies control most of this.

If company “x” hears that education is a big concern on most peoples minds then company “X” will say they will not hire anyone unless the have education.

They do this to keep the public happy so more people will shop with company “X”.

They mean no harm to Islam or any other religion.  It is matter of in a country where democracy is suppose to rule then either the largest group or the ones who make most noise win.

Simply because if you want to sell then you had better please the majority of people.

I am new and trying to learn so not sure what all is Haram in Islam, however if I must leave my country to follow religion then something is wrong.

I can not believe G_D would turn me away because I am in wrong country.  Not only that but if I left my country and went to Islamic country do you think they would welcome an American with open arms?

Dan Sims

I do not think you are understanding.. yes you can and very will may be punished for the land that you are in, not because you are there, but because you do not have any intention on leaving and you think it is ok to stay there.. As long as you beleive you can live in any land you want without consquense whether it is a muslim land or not, then you may be questioned by allah on the day of judgement for your ignorant thoguhts and beliefs...It may not be your fault that you are there but it will be your fault if you do not leave or at least believe where you live at is wrong..


Before we talk about what muslim country you should go to, you first must understand that you should go to a muslim country in gerneal no matter which one you choose if in mostly all of the cases it is better in that land...

The point is not that you cannot get in but how hard are you trygin to get in a muslim country.. or are you just giving up because you heard bad stories about how hard it is to get in..?? If you do not try then allah may questioned you about this.. First get motivated to leave, know this is somthing you know you must do and then we can disscuss the how you can and should do it inshallah..

[curioustraveler]

i prefer to live in usa, i will work to make usa a muslim country. I KNOW  wants me to do this. All men will be muslim. I know this to be true. why are you so afraid of the west,they have no special powers,just insignificant infidels, some of whom will die as true believers some as the dogs they are. Lao tzu. a great muslim said. we must know our enemies. he also said An ant on the move does more than a dozing ox.

[tariqibn]

do not take offense when i say that i think you are the most ignorant of people if you are on some crusade mission.. this is not your battle, this is not your fight and you do not have the choice to do what you think allah wants you to do... allah will punsih you severely if you do not act according to what has clearly been percribed in the quran and sunnah.. you think you can do what you feel.. may allah save your soul from the lowest depth of the jehannam....

[whatislam]

why do you say Lao Tzu is a muslim, curioustraveler? 

he would never have heard of Mohammed (being dead centuries before Mohammed was born, and also before Jesus Christ) - but is there some other reason why you refer to him as a muslim.

the name lao tzu - means old master or old man (but in an honorary way) - the main work ascribed to Lao Tzu is the Tao Te Ching which is estimated, i think, to have been compiled around 4 BC.