Topic: question about prayer.

[dnasims]

I am trying to learn about Islamic faith, and have found the books “A Muslim Primer” and “The Meaning of The Holy Qur’an” to be a great help.

I do have a question I hope you can help me with.

The Muslim Prime says, “The Qur’an does not mention prayers of intercession because God does not require from any person what is beyond his or her power (2:233).  One of most quoted verses of Qur’an is, “God’s mercy comprehends everything” (7:156), including our asking of help for others.  God knows our needs and in his mercy will act accordingly.”


Does this mean that Muslims do not believe they need to pray for themselves or others, because G_D already knows what every one needs, and what we can handle?

If so, I find this to a great belief.  I have always wondered why Christians must ask for G_D’s help for them or some one else, if he already knows?

I mean if we leave this part out it allows for a lot more time truly worshipping him.

In some churches and prayers, I almost feel guilty afterwards because we spent most of prayer asking for help.

Thanks for help
Dan

[fraudulent]

hi there, hope i can help you. but i'm confused with the topic of intercession and the thought of not believe the needing of prayer. could you explain more?

moslem are being encouraged to ask to 4Wl as they will be given reward, not because 4Wl didn't know their needs. And how those prayer conflict with worshipping Him? hmm....... I don't really understand with your saying. could you explain more of the situation?

hope that's help

[dnasims]

I hope I can explain this better.

Intercession= act to reconcile.

Would this mean ask for forgiveness?  I would hope not.  I would think we ask for forgiveness of true sins.

The Muslim Prime says, “The Qur’an does not mention prayers of intercession because God does not require from any person what is beyond his or her power (2:233).  One of most quoted verses of Qur’an is, “God’s mercy comprehends everything” (7:156), including our asking of help for others.  God knows our needs and in his mercy will act accordingly.”

Since it talks about that G_D does not require from any person what is beyond his or her power.

I would interpit this to be talking about prayers for forgiveness of being weak.

I.E. please forgive me for not being able to hold onto my fast for the entire time, but my flesh is weak.

G_D would already know our limits and if we took on too much then he would know, but if we just gave in because I know he will forgive me then he knows this also.

I would also think this might be talking about prayers for strength.

I.E. G_D please give me strength to deal with John and is insulting ways. Please help me to deal with him in way as you would.

Again, G_D knows what I can handle and would not have me dealing with John if I was not capable.

Last, the G_D please help me threw this cancer.  I do not feel I can do it on my own.  Once I am better, I can go out and do a lot to spread your word.

If you take most Christian prayers they are full of this stuff, and I feel if this were eliminated or limited then there would be more prayers for nothing but praise to him for his works and deeds.


I hope this makes some since.

In addition, could some one explain 4Wi?  This is second time it has been mentioned to me.

Risking sounding stupid.  I have no idea what this is, but I really would like to learn.

Thanks to everyone
Sorry so long

Dan Sims

[fraudulent]

As far as I know, intercession is about asking for forgiveness to god using a mediator. This is not know in Islam. everyone can just ask and pray to 4Wl directly. No human has the power to forgive someone sins. Only 4Wl has. That's why it said God does not require from any person what is beyond his or her power, as mentioned before.

[fraudulent]

Logically speaking, human doesn't know to worship to God except there's someone that teach us how to worship. Without that knowledge, human can only guess and assume. This why we need a prophet that teach us God's rule.

In Islam, every aspect of our live is a form of worshipness. We pray 5 times a day at a specific time, rule and action; working for life for a man; marriage; study; eat; go to Mecca doing Haji; all of that is part of muslim prayer including ask (pray) for forgiveness. It is mentioned in Hadith (one of Islam source of knowledge about Islam teaching) that 4Wl loves to be ask, and every ask will be fulfiled now or later. So every muslim are being encourage to ask as it will gives reward and result.

[fraudulent]

One of the beauty of Islam is that every law are spesific and really concern about human condition and characteristic. Shalah/namaz/prayer for example, it is obligated to stand. But if one cannot stand as physicaly weak, he may done it by sit, laying down or even only with his mind if he paralized the whole body. This said 4Wl already know our limits and is up to us for take it (and get reward) or leave it (and get sins).

[fraudulent]

And Dan, it was me that using that simbol of 4Wl. Have you ever saw God name written in Arabic? Well, 4Wl is an imitation of that word. It consist of arabic word 'Alif' (l), double 'Lam' (J) --it suppose to be like 'JJ' but for a reason I chose to write it 'W'-- and a 'Ha' (4). As Arabic are read from right to left, and for a single word those letter are mostly connected to be "4Wl"

[fraudulent]

I'm very happy to be able to help, just don't hesitate to ask or even to argue. We'll discuss this properly. Hope this help and you're enlighten with the beauty of Islam.

Ridha,
Indonesia

[dnasims]

Thank you very much all your inputs have been very helpful.   

I know see what is meant by not being asked to do more than capable, and the not asking for forgiveness threw any one else other than G_D.

In addition, the clarification on4Wl was a great help.  I was so confused.

I definitely agree with all of this.

I was raised Catholic, and thus was taught to pray very differently.  However, I have always had problem with confessions to some one who is not G_D.

It was originally the fact that I could not pursue any ranking in Catholic Church that made me look at other religions.

I also always had problem with three forms of one G_D.  No matter how they explained it to me, it always felt wrong.  I would force my self to accept it, but when I tried to explain it to anyone else, I felt as if I was doing some thing wrong.

When I started studying Islam it seemed so clear and correct how There is only one G_D and others in bible are prophets to direct to his word.

When I listen to Qur’an in Arabic the song like pattern moves me, even though I cannot mentally understand it.

It is if some how some way spiritually I do understand it enough to be moved.


Thanks again to everyone

I love this site and my new path to truth.

Dan Sims

P.S. I now relies that I did not need to pursue any ranking in church.  Rather just, improve myself and my relationship with G_D.

The rest does not matter it is just creating a false since of worth

 

[fraudulent]

I love to hear your story about finding the truth. Because I was raised in a moslem family+culture+society+country, sometimes I don't realize those are important. l'm looking forward for your progress toward become a moslem, not just understand its truth.

My advice is, if you've accepting Islam way of life, then implement it and become a moslem. That way, you will experience the wonderful and the miracle of Islam like all of us moslem has. Nothing else will.

Hope you choose the truth soon. I'll pray for you.

Ridha